Comments Thread For: Arum: "Pacquiao Will Never Face a Golden Boy Fighter!"

[empiricix]

Yeah Manny always wins in the freeloader crowds ,,, paying customs always seem to buy more PPVs when Floyd fights the same people Manny does , isnt that strange ,,,, how many PPVs Manny gunna get this time , we all know what Floyd got with Shane .....

Yeah, how much will Floyd earn this year? That's right, NADA! Coz he's too busy pokin' guards, threatening his baby mama and his kids, and watching Lady Gaga with his galpal 50 Cent!!

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empiricix is a bigger coward than pacroid.....

I already answered your link-a-thon, Lead! Yet you ignore this like you ignore any other fact that belies your lies.

You ducked me like a b1tch kid, you are a bigger coward than pacroid.

You ignored my post, and then tried to change the subject to Mayweather.

You did not " answer " anything b1tch, and you know it.

You dishonest little fanboy clown.

1.) Manny Pacquiao is a coward for claiming to be an 8-division champion, and yet being too scared to EVER fight an actual JMW opponent.

2.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Mayweather back in December, either that or he is a steroid cheat. He didn't want none of Mayweather or the tests, thats for sure.

3.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154. What a b1tch Manny.

4.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for demanding a catch-weight for Cotto. There are two reasons to demand a catch-weight, either you are not good enough to compete with that fighter at his natural weight, which is fine..... or you are attempting to drain him to gain an unfair advantage, which is cowardly. Team Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

5.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Shane Mosley - TWICE !!

6.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for being such a cherry-picker.....
* Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
* Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage
* And at JMW, Manny will not fight anybody at all

7.) And Manny "padded" Pacquiao is also a dirty coward for refusing to fight Marquez unless the fight is held at 147.

Manny "padded" Pacquiao is a joke. Top Rank smoke and mirrors.

Team Pacquiao.....
Still piss-scared of Marquez, since 2004

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you ignore this like you ignore any other fact that belies your lies.

1. Schaefer mentions a gag-order on the second negotiations. He also denies Oscar's interview that a deal is close.
2. Arum denies negotiating with Schaefer. This is because GBP was never involved. It was Arum and Haymon talking through HBO's Ross Greenburg.
3. There was no link provided quoting Leonard Ellerbee denying that a second negotiation ever took place.
4. There was no link provided quoting Greenburg as he verifies Arum's claim of a second negotiations and showing Ellerbee as a liar. Greenburg also said that he acted as a broker, and that he had no idea why Floyd still didn't want to fight.
5. After Arum and Greenburg clarified that GBP was not involved in the talks, despite Schaefer and Oscar making it appear that they were the ones negotiating in behalf of Floyd, GBP shut their traps.
6. No link is provided, but Floyd thereafter stated that he is going on vacation.

I also provided links that showed:

1. Jeff Mayweather was approached by a South African group for a potential fight between Floyd and Pac for Mandela's birthday.
2. Jeff claims to be negotiating in behalf of Floyd.
3. No link is provided but Michael Koncz verified that they are talking about a Pac-Floyd fight. Arum denies this, perhaps in order to shut Koncz up for his indiscretion.
4. Jeff states that he is no longer involved in negotiations and that he is leaving it up to Floyd's camp. He talks about one guy asking for $100M as being unrealistic.
5. No link is provided, but Arum claims that they were negotiating for a third fight but that Floyd asked for $100M, which killed the fight.

It is instructive to note that in the latter instance, there was no official word from Floyd's camp denying the South African deal and the $100M demand. In the first instance, Ellerbee's denial came weeks after Arum's deadline ended, but no word all throughout the duration.

That, in a nutshell, is what Leaduppercut wanted to show as proof that Arum is sabotaging talks with Floyd and is protecting Pac from Floyd.

Let the people decide.

I have replied to your dribble kid.

You have supplied no quotes, no factual comment, no links, NOTHING !!

Your entire post is based on naive fanboy opinion, and Bob Arum lies, which have already been exposed..... and nothing more.

Here is proof that your post is just naive fanboy dribble.....

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM BEING FORCED TO ADMIT IT.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

Even Pac fan's will admit that Bob Arum spent 5-weeks telling the media that he was personally negotiating a deal with GBP for a Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight. Then he stated that he forwarded a proposal to GBP and immediately put a 2-week deadline on the offer..... but the very day after his "deadline" expired, on July 17th 2010, Arum was forced to admit that neither he nor Ross Greenburg had ever spoken with anyone from GBP.

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM BEING FORCED TO ADMIT IT.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

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I have replied to your dribble kid.

You have supplied no quotes, no factual comment, no links, NOTHING !!

Your entire post is based on naive fanboy opinion, and Bob Arum lies, which have already been exposed..... and nothing more.

Here is proof that your post is just naive fanboy dribble.....

Even Pac fan's will admit that Bob Arum spent 5-weeks telling the media that he was personally negotiating a deal with GBP for a Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight. Then he stated that he forwarded a proposal to GBP and immediately put a 2-week deadline on the offer..... but the very day after his "deadline" expired, on July 17th 2010, Arum was forced to admit that neither he nor Ross Greenburg had ever spoken with anyone from GBP.

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM BEING FORCED TO ADMIT IT.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

FACT: Bob Arum lied.
He will milk the Manny-cow until it is dry, and then feed it to Mayweather

FACT: empirixic is a dopey fanboy kid, who takes sweeties from dirty old men

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You - conveniently - ducked this post as well empirixic

Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.

Team Mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp.

Michael Marley, the day after Arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke.

Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum's, was just as perplexed by Arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging.

He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke.

Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley.

Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in.

That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.

Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.

When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010.

Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money.

Pretty predictable.

As another example of the way Arum operates, it also turns out that "Pacquiao accepting 14 days" was just more "smoke" as part of the Arum charade.

The original quote from Pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from Pacquiao was real, but for PR purposes. Pacquiao's manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after.

To confirm the charade, only days ago, Arum was asked straight up, what drug terms Pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer.

This is a man who had an agreement with Mayweather's people? He couldn't even answer what the supposed drug agreement was?

So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out.

Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.

Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight.

Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.

That's basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.

Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for Floyd to accept his offer." Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.

Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.

In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they've worded it all very carefully.

Arum claimed that he was waiting for Mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with Greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with Greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn't work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever.

Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about "terms being agreed by both sides."

Mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press.

Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.

Golden Boy? Well Marley claims that there quite literally was a gag order. It's just the fact that the negotiations ended after about two days. You can tell when the fight fell through. Arum started talking to the media twice a day!

Marley claims that Golden Boy's position with Arum is to just let him talk, and not justify his claims with replies, safe in the knowledge that most of the sport world knows he talks out of his behind.

Arum could well find himself in a tough position, however. Dan Raphael reported that Ellerbe is not only one of the most honest guys in boxing, he's also been speaking to Greenberg regularly for weeks. These daily conversations have reportedly gone on after his claim that basically either Greenberg or Arum is a stone cold liar.

Which suggests to most that Greenberg agrees with his pronouncement.

Again, Marley is a Top Rank guy, and a noted Pacquiao backer. He reported that Arum's claims of "negotiations" and "agreements" were phony, days before any Mayweather person made any comment.

Mayweather's guy's wording is probably a bit controversial, and not 100 percent true, but both Marley and Ellebre are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.

Arum completely and utterly exaggerated all claims of "agreements," "deals," "contracts," and "negotiations."

HAS THE PENNY DROPPED YET?

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And btw, where has that RYANNN idiot gone ?

Did that dumb kid just turn up, mouth off, then leave..... like he usually does ?

[Money Is KING]

***ish move

[oaba09]

Arum is an idiot...what's new?

[Detroit29]

There is nothing to jusitfy this statement although the Pac faithful will try. The public is starting to catch on. Who's next after Marquez? Kermit "The Leap Frog" Cintron? Then after that..Gonzo....Animal.....then he reitre after fight Nanny and her green socks....:sleeping

[IIocano]

Smart move by arum, this man is a genius! He knows business pretty well, anyone who disagrees deserves to get shot!