Pac's upper weight success = wing chun???

[KING MEAT]

WTF is boneless wing chung? no no no.

pac is on a-side meth.

[SpitBalla]

Is Wing Chun what they call Philipino Peds? Just kidding.

Not I don't think this has anything to do with it, Freddie doesn't know **** about no Wing Chun.

[p4p-champ]

I think all that stuff has been done before in boxing, and it's a stretch to call what he does anything other than boxing

if he's doing wing chun then what is freddie doing?

Collecting pay cheques along with Arum for their great match making.

[shadeyfizzle]

I think all that stuff has been done before in boxing, and it's a stretch to call what he does anything other than boxing

if he's doing wing chun then what is freddie doing?

I wouldn't credit it to wing chung, kali (his footwork is very similar) or any other martial arts. Roach does not teach those martial arts and Pacquiao doesn't have a background in any of these except perhaps kali/escrima which is commonly taught in grade school in the PI.

We know he's a big celebrity with alot of connections and we know he's a big bruce lee fan. Would it be that big of a stretch to think bruce lee's daughter or someone connected to ip tsun offered to show pac a few things on his off time and he's found ways to incorporate them into his fight style? I mean the official bruce lee website has advertised pac's upcoming fights the past couple of years

[Pullcounter]

pinoys don't know wing chun.

also, wing chun is weak sauce.

[fabie]

had a conversation with a colleague the other day that said pacquiao is such an accurate puncher nowadays because he incorporated wing chun into his fight style. Although im not buying it completely he did bring up a good point because as a martial arts instructor myself I know that the parralels that were being drawn are there.

Pacquiao does have the tendency to throw punches from the tricep.
He does throw sidearm punches to squeeze past opponents guards
He does throw punches directly to an opponents guard just to rip it down
He does a much better job staying on and protecting his center line at the higher weights.

What do u guys think? Anyone with a wing chun background able to comment on this?

I have trained the Modified Wing Chun through the Jeet Kune Do way...(Bruce Lee) and Filipino Martial Arts (Arnis/Kali/Escrima). It's funny because I brought up previously that Manny trained in some form of FMA previously and thought that he was using many of the FMA. And now your theory of Wing Chun.

In my humble opinion, there's some validity to both of our theories. Just that he didn't learn and apply Wing Chun and FMA directly.

What I meant is that he is using "wing chun like" usage of the BATTLE PUNCH which utilize the CENTER LINE ATTACK and the what we call in JKD that "battle punch" is simply the rolling punches in the middle as a "blitz" attack until the opponent feeds a new "energy" or line of defense so as to work on that.

In that light, then you are right....he is using that a lot. If you look at his fight against Clottey, nothing is working and thus employing that "Battle Punch" in the middle would often open many shots to Clottey's RIBS and/or MIDSECTION.

In the FMA side, Roach's approach on angles is uncannily FMA-like in utilizing the "Trapping" of the lead arm or hand (that is very Jeet Kune Do like also or Wing Chun-like)...meaning Manny would use Angles mainly to the outside of an orthodox fighter and utilize either Manny's:

• RIGHT HOOK
• STRAIGHT LEFT

to override the lead jab. In other words, Roach's approach is really a counter-punching with angles. But it doesn't mean Pacquiao utilizes only on the the "outside of the opponent's lead hand or jab" but he does that many times and turn it into his favor.

Pacquiao also can nullify the orthodox fighter's RIGHT CROSS to the inside but he rarely does and if does, it was mostly transitory or in the middle of his phase of footwork. That "inside move" is really outside of the orthodox's RIGHT CROSS.

But most of the time he would go OUTSIDE of the orthodox's left jab or simple to the LEFT OF HIS OPPONENT.

But back to the CENTER LINE ATTACK that uses the triceps but with the concentration of the FOOTWORK where his power is coming from. Did you see those freaking and hulking CALVES?

THat's where the power is coming from aside from his abs....utilizing a wing-chun like CENTER LINE ATTACK to overwhelm opponents with blistering speed and combination.

[RA-Box]

I don't see traditional Wing Chun being used by Manny at all.

I do see similarities to Manny's style and Bruce Lee's (they are both southpaws too). Which is expected as Bruce Lee modified Wing Chun with Boxing priciples.

What really stands out from the Wing Chun style are:

1. Hand Traps / Slapping hands
2. Squared stance
3. Straight Blast
4. Vertical Fists
5. Center Line theory

I know there's much more to Wing Chun, but the features I described are what really identify it to the causal Kung-Fu observer. Of those five Manny really just employs the last three, and the the last two can be said to already be in boxing. Manny's straight blast does not look anything like the Wing Chun one either.

I would say that he has just naturally arrived to a point where Boxing and Wing Chun converge.

Choy Lay Fut is another Kung fu style that can be seen in boxing quite a bit

[fabie]

I don't see traditional Wing Chun being used by Manny at all.

I do see similarities to Manny's style and Bruce Lee's (they are both southpaws too). Which is expected as Bruce Lee modified Wing Chun with Boxing priciples.

What really stands out from the Wing Chun style are:

1. Hand Traps / Slapping hands
2. Squared stance
3. Straight Blast
4. Vertical Fists
5. Center Line theory

I know there's much more to Wing Chun, but the features I described are what really identify it to the causal Kung-Fu observer. Of those five Manny really just employs the last three, and the the last two can be said to already be in boxing. Manny's straight blast does not look anything like the Wing Chun one either.

I would say that he has just naturally arrived to a point where Boxing and Wing Chun converge.

Choy Lay Fut is another Kung fu style that can be seen in boxing quite a bit

Thus rhyming my posting about my modified Wing Chun background in Jeet Kune Do. Great that we have more martial artists in here to show these things and love the Choy Li Fut also as another that can be seen that is "Similar" to what Pacquiao is doing.

But as a Jeet Kune Do practitioner, I would like to make a little correction....Bruce Lee isn't a southpaw. He is donning a southpaw stance because he is a right hander wanting to utilize his best hand as a lead in a street fight.

HIS JAB is his main arsenal as what we call. SINGLE DIRECT ATTACK, because in the streets, the jab could end the fight and thus his jab is not a PRECEDENT to a CROSS (in a sport of boxing)....but can be an end to the fight.

So for the FMA practitioners, the weapons hand is also most of time....the lead hand. At least that's what based on the Dan INosanto (Bruce Lee's main protege and proponent of JKD and FMA)...and so many of Pacquiao's techniques (again) can be seen readily and similar to the way to nullify the jab for example...

Please see this clip of Manny vs Cotto on how to nullify the jab and even Cotto's cross...that is akin to Mayweather's body jabs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lCZrOPrP-3o

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I get where everyone sees the comparison from the way Pac angles his fist to punch and to his machine gun-like combos down the center line.

I think his style was more born out of necessity than actually trying to consciously emulate a specific person or style(Not ruling out that he might've been subconsciously influenced by Bruce Lee or any other kung-fu movie he's seen). I am sure Manny knew his best attribute was speed early on, so he built his earlier and rougher style to maximizing that advantage. Figuring that throwing the punch that has less distance to travel would allow him to throw more punches seems only natural.

Like we've heard numerous times over the years, I think it's just more of the case that Manny's the only fighter that can fight the way he does and be successful.

Now for some afternoon entertainment.

A clip from the movie Ip Man about Bruce Lee's teacher Yip Man.

Yip -> Bruce -> Pac