How to beat the Klitchkos!!!

[jimmy1569]

Well, did you ever see a fight against Wlad where the chances grew the longer the fight went on?


Well, in the first fight he KDed Wlad 3 times. In the second fight he received his first and most brutal canvas KO.

There is the general rule that Wlad hits your head whatever you do. When you now actively move your head you increase your chances to move TOWARDS Wlad's fist.

You see Wlad's fist is already devastating when you move AWAY from it. But accidentally moving towards it is suicide.

ADDITIONALLY escape artists like Byrd or Calvin Brock (who was such an extremely good escaper that you barely find an example where he is cleanly head hit in his fights) tend to try to move away their heads instinctively when the hypnotic jab comes and then get hit by Wlad's jab-right combo (like Byrd or Brock).


For example watch Wlad vs Moli. I definitely have the feeling had Moli (259 lbs, 29-2) been a worse head mover and had instead attacked and run more he would have survived more than 1 round.

The problem against Wlad is that Wlad is the best KOer the world has ever witnessed. He leads or is at the top of nearly every KO statistic imaginable:

• previously unKOed KOs
• KOed southpaws
• world title KOs
• heaviest KOs
• Number of KOs in early rounds (1-3)
• Weight of opponents in early rounds
• Number of KOs when out-weighed
• KOs in later rounds
• non-bummy KOs
• KO streaks
• world title KO streaks
• unbeaten KOs
• Rounds needed between KOs
• ...

Whatever you can come up with Wlad is leading or at the top. A better KOer the world has not seen.

And so far he had ONLY 3 (inconclusive) losses in 58 superheavyweight fights. Only Brian Nielsen has a better WinFight ratio. Wlad is a phenomenon.

Now, the WORST thing that you can do is believe that his RoCoLa losses are some kind of a blueprint how to beat him. The worst thing you can do is to believe the nonsense that Wlad has a glass jaw and then go after the chin. This will not work. Instead I saw Wlad hurt by a body punch against Ibragimov.

In my view the BEST BEST BEST way how to beat Wlad is to stink'n'run (= basically how Muhammad Ali won all his fights) like Eddie Chambers did: Eddie prevented an early KO by lifting Wlad up. And prevented a later KO by changing his glove.

Wlad is big (= locomoting slower than Haye) AND always (at least until Sam Peter II) looks for the perfect position before engaging. Thus Haye should run left and right and then suddenly attack. Or should hold and then rabbit punch. This is Haye's best bet. And I think this is what Haye will try to do.

However, Wlad (vs Sam Peter II) showed far greater will to engage and it was Peter who had to initiate most of the clinches. Thus not even this tactic may help.

Additionally so far I am unimpressed by Haye's performances. He was tagged at near will by Ruiz.

The only real danger for Wlad would be Prime Vitali Klitschko and Prime Lennox Lewis.

You seem to be over inflating Wlads KO achievements when it's his brother that holds ALL the prominent KO records. Higher KO ratio overall..higher ko percentage of wins BY ko..only heavy to KO his first 27 opponents.. he EVEN has a slight lead (percentage points) over Wlad IN least amount of rds needed per KO after the SOLIS fight.. so most of that other KO stuff you wrote is just regarding SPECIFIC opponents.... IF you want to talk OVERALL opponents & not genre you know which brother to come to>> kapish.

[jimmy1569]

& don't forget the KO'S against common opponents,,he's got 2 knockouts over fighters that knocked out Wlad... overall there common opponent records is as follows. Vitali's is 3-1 including 3 stoppages 75% Ko ratio. Wlad's is 4-2 including 2 stoppages 33% ko ratio. That right there tells me who's there brother's keeper!

[Rocky Rode]

I think takes someone like Odlanier Solis to beat both Klit's...If he was in shape.

He's pretty much seen all types of fighters, has good speed, decent power, and NO ONE hits him with a jab cleanly....Solis' high guard pretty much eliminates the jab from most fighters(Vitali couldn't land a single clean jab in their fight. His jabs were hitting nothing but glove). And he's great at measuring distance.

If only he was in shape.

[Joeyzagz]

Calzaghe is impossible to beat. The best you can hope for is an SD loss or MD loss because he is just too good.

With Lennox you either need an arena 1800 metres above sea level or a crooked Ref who cant count past 7.

And even if you get those things Lennox will just beat you in the rematch. Lennox and Calzaghe beat every opponent they face and that's a fact. 100% of their opponents defeated!

[jimmy1569]

I think takes someone like Odlanier Solis to beat both Klit's...If he was in shape.

He's pretty much seen all types of fighters, has good speed, decent power, and NO ONE hits him with a jab cleanly....Solis' high guard pretty much eliminates the jab from most fighters. And he's great at measuring distance.

If only he was in shape.

We saw how great he was at measuring distance,, He got too close into Vitalis WHEELHOUSE & PAID THE ULTIMATE PRICE. I would've said you were probably in the ballpark before there fight as Solis is as skilled as anyone in terms of voxing credentials & fundamentals & up until those fateful last 10 seconds against Vitali I would've had high praise for his boxing IQ. He utterly failed in that regard.. he amateurishly tried to steal a close rd by lunging wrecklessly into Vitali's airspace. He paid the price for his indescretion & wound up being just another Klitschko opponent when he could've been so much more in terms of being competitive & actually having a chance & being the first to OUTBOX a Klitschko for more than a rd or 2 at a time. He blew it as his high skill in the amateurs didn't give him the boxing intelligence needed to outsmart the most dominant fighter of alltime.

[Rocky Rode]

That punch Vitali landed on him didn't even hit him cleanly. It was a grazing punch. That "KO" win had way more to do with Solis' foot slipping than the punch Vitali landed. And the lunging he was doing was genius... Blocking all of Vitali's punches on the outside, then quickly lunging in and hitting him cleanly with his superior handspeed was a great strategy...If only he wasn't so fat his knee might've held up.

An in shape Solis would beat both Klits, IMO.

[Steak]

dont bother arguing with certain Klitschko fans, theyre awful.

They think Ross Purrity has the greatest chin of all time, Joe Frazier was 'featherfisted', and head movement makes you easier to hit.

[jimmy1569]

Calzaghe is impossible to beat. The best you can hope for is an SD loss or MD loss because he is just too good.

With Lennox you either need an arena 1800 metres above sea level or a crooked Ref who cant count past 7.

And even if you get those things Lennox will just beat you in the rematch. Lennox and Calzaghe beat every opponent they face and that's a fact. 100% of their opponents defeated!

That middle sentence.. don't think I didn't get the message there. Normally.. i'd say you got jokes but i keep forgetting you're not that funny,

As for both of your boys.. let us do remember that both there jaws will always GIVE there opponent a chance at hitting the lottery. & Lennox can be outboxed.. see Evander Holyfield & Murcer for that... he can be outslugged. see your poster for that & can be KTFO with one punch if one places it just right underneath his eyes & above his neck.. square on the chin. Many ways to beat him. & MANY WAYS for him to get a W as well included are having his opponent drugged out.. crying because he was forced into the ring instead of rehAB by a sleazy promoter.. we all know who. & ofcourse paying off the dr. at ringside so he can stop the fight in his favor before it gets stopped in his opponent's favor.

As for Joe... the first 2 great boxers he faced he was on the canvas in the first rd & they were past there primes... all you NEED to know about smokin' Joe & his undefeated status.. VitaLI is 100 TIMES MORE dominant yet he has the 2 L'S on his resume....'nuff said!

[Steak]

You seem to be over inflating Wlads KO achievements when it's his brother that holds ALL the prominent KO records. Higher KO ratio overall..higher ko percentage of wins BY ko..only heavy to KO his first 27 opponents.. he EVEN has a slight lead (percentage points) over Wlad IN least amount of rds needed per KO after the SOLIS fight.. so most of that other KO stuff you wrote is just regarding SPECIFIC opponents.... IF you want to talk OVERALL opponents & not genre you know which brother to come to>> kapish.

Inflated records mean nothing. Wladimir has beaten more top competition than Vitali, and is faster, harder hitting, and has more boxing ability. Vitali is just more durable.

even Vitali said that Wladimir beats him in sparring and would win if they were to fight.

[bojangles1987]

dont bother arguing with certain Klitschko fans, theyre awful.

They think Ross Purrity has the greatest chin of all time, Joe Frazier was 'featherfisted', and head movement makes you easier to hit.

That really makes ZERO sense. Calling head movement bad? What? How? Unbelievable.