Comments Thread For: Victor Ortiz on Pacquiao Fight: I Call The Shots, Not Arum

[Rome-By-Ko]

Vic is young, hungry, on top of his game, coming off a career-defining win, and a force at 147..... Mosley, is none of those things.

Oh well, just as long as Manny win's, I guess

So know you believe Ortiz would beat Mosley??

[Rome-By-Ko]

Bradley is a tough fighter no doubt about that. Ortiz proved he can be one to watch for. Both of their styles says that it will be a brawl and pressure fight. I think Ortiz is bigger and stronger and if Bradley couldn't get Ortiz out of their or atleast dominate then I give Ortiz a chance by power alone. To me, this is a 50/50 fight.

I dig ya,imo Bradley would dominate Ortiz and make him look like a boxing ******..You can not win by power alone,not when you meet a tough opponent who can take what ya have to dish out..

[Rome-By-Ko]

Can I ask.....

who is more qualified to fight Manny than Vic ?

STILL, waiting for an answer to that question.

I would say the Order goes a lil something like this..

Martinez
JMM
Bradley(if he gets by Khan)
Khan(but he does not wanna fight him)
Judah(I would rather see this at this point)
Ortiz(bottom of the pole needs to start working his way up)

[Eastbay Giant]

I would say the Order goes a lil something like this..

Martinez
JMM
Bradley(if he gets by Khan)
Khan(but he does not wanna fight him)
Judah(I would rather see this at this point)
Ortiz(bottom of the pole needs to start working his way up)

Martinez, Khan, Judah, and Ortiz are all quality SOUTHPAW fighters, which means it 's probably not going to happen for them...

Well maybe Judah because he fit's Team Pacquiao's M.O.

[studentofthegam]

Because Bradley still dominated Peterson while Ortiz fought to draw..

Harris is not better opponent then Holt(not to mention Holt was a Champion)

Bradley was beating Campbell azz all around the ring while Ortiz was playing with his food..

And Witter and Alexander finish off the rest of Ortiz resume..Berto won his belt off Ricky Martin and most thought he lost to Collazo..So since having his belt he only fought one ranked opponent..Now you say Berto was more dangerous then anybody Bradley has fought how do you come to this when Berto was/is not tested in the least bit??

Really? Witter? I tried to leave Alexander's name out of the conversation but since you brought it up list the people he beat since you're breaking down Berto's res. Name the guy on Bradley's resume that stands a chance against Berto? You're drowning yourself. Holt is ok at best and Bradley went to the wire against him. When I talked about Ortiz's resume I was just showing you a variety of opponents to dispute you statement that Bradley is more "seasoned".

I would never compare Vargas to Ortiz dude,Vargas is a far better boxer..Maybe Ortiz can get better but as of now Vargas has him beat by like 7 or 8 miles out..

Ortiz has a good jab??What fight did he use it to any effect??

He has more than just a good jab. Does he use all his skills properly? Not so far. Im not riding his win against Berto. Ive been one of a hand full that saw Vic as a star even after Maidana. TO SAY Vargas is leaps and bounds ahead of Ortiz makes it worthless to debate with you. Vargas had the same problems within fights. He tended to forget about the fact that he could box and just stand in there with guys he shouldnt have. Mark my words, when Ortiz' career is done better yet before, he will surpass Vargas in accomplishments. For now we have to agree to disagree. I still want to know which guy on Bradley's resume could hang with Berto though. Answer: none of those guys stand a good chance outside Peterson putting up a good fight and they share him.

[LeadUppercut]

Easy JMM is more qualified take a peek he is the last guy who gave Pac a run..Berto was unproven at the weight(meaning he has only fought one rank opponent)that's why while I give Ortiz credit I would love to see him in with a young hungry opponent..Clottey was thought to be a tough out regardless what happen in the ring before the fight he was thought to be tough..Most thought Pac would win but still felt we might see Pac get tested..Because Pac is a good fighter tho he get's penalized does that make sense??

Come on, that was at 130, and Pac will not fight JMM unless he jumps TWO DIVISIONS to 147.

Marquez is a career-featherweight who is currently campaigning at lightweight, and Ortiz is the third best welter on the planet.

Victor Ortiz is clearly the most qualified opponent for Pac.

That fight will never happen.

[LeadUppercut]

So know you believe Ortiz would beat Mosley??

Yes I do, absolutely.

[LeadUppercut]

I would say the Order goes a lil something like this..

Martinez
JMM
Bradley(if he gets by Khan)
Khan(but he does not wanna fight him)
Judah(I would rather see this at this point)
Ortiz(bottom of the pole needs to start working his way up)

That is absurd romey, you have the ONLY welter on the bottom of the list

Martinez.....
Forget Martinez, the notion that Pac would fight Sergio is absurd

JMM.....
JMM is a lightweight

Bradley(if he gets by Khan).....
Bradley is second behind Ortiz, he has to go through Vic at 147

Khan(but he does not wanna fight him).....
Then why did you list him? that is scraping the bottom of the barrel

Judah(I would rather see this at this point).....
The bottom of the barrel, has now officially been sc****d

How the *** can you put Judah ahead of Ortiz? Ortiz is the third best welter on the planet, Judah..... is not.

Romey, we will agree to disagree, but you clearly have an agenda here.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Really? Witter? I tried to leave Alexander's name out of the conversation but since you brought it up list the people he beat since you're breaking down Berto's res. Name the guy on Bradley's resume that stands a chance against Berto? You're drowning yourself. Holt is ok at best and Bradley went to the wire against him. When I talked about Ortiz's resume I was just showing you a variety of opponents to dispute you statement that Bradley is more "seasoned".


He has more than just a good jab. Does he use all his skills properly? Not so far. Im not riding his win against Berto. Ive been one of a hand full that saw Vic as a star even after Maidana. TO SAY Vargas is leaps and bounds ahead of Ortiz makes it worthless to debate with you. Vargas had the same problems within fights. He tended to forget about the fact that he could box and just stand in there with guys he shouldnt have. Mark my words, when Ortiz' career is done better yet before, he will surpass Vargas in accomplishments. For now we have to agree to disagree. I still want to know which guy on Bradley's resume could hang with Berto though. Answer: none of those guys stand a good chance outside Peterson putting up a good fight and they share him.

When Bradley fought Witter he was the num 1 Jr WW in the world are you kidding??Alexander is a unified Champ which is more then you can say for Berto..I really think Alexander has a very good chance at beating Berto,being the fact he would use Berto's aggression against him..I also believe Abregu beats Berto( and I've said this in other threads homie)while we're on the topic I also would give a good shot at beating Ortiz..

Once again Vargas lost to top notch opponents Hoya Felix,and Shane..Who did Ortiz lose to??Are you gonna try to compare the level of fighter??Like I said dude away better boxer then Ortiz..

[Rome-By-Ko]

Come on, that was at 130, and Pac will not fight JMM unless he jumps TWO DIVISIONS to 147.

Marquez is a career-featherweight who is currently campaigning at lightweight, and Ortiz is the third best welter on the planet.

Victor Ortiz is clearly the most qualified opponent for Pac.

That fight will never happen.

Pac was at one time a career strawweight what's ya point??If you are moving up too challenge ya self it is what it is...Funny how JMM can't do this or that but Pac should do this or that..Real funny...

Anyway let's hope Vic test himself,like a young fighter should..It won't matter he is not gonna fight Pac or Mayweather next,but hopefully he does fight his mandatory or Jones or Karass and answer a few questions I have..There are a lot of people falling for the hype I will not be one of umm