Comments Thread For: Victor Ortiz on Pacquiao Fight: I Call The Shots, Not Arum

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Well Like you said they had a common opponent in Peterson. Ortiz had a rough outting and I think he still won but *** "possibles". I think Berto was way more dangerous than anybody Bradley has faced. If you wanna talk variety then look at this Ortiz has Cambell (crafty Veteran who was on a win streak), Peterson (tough tough for anybody around the weight), Berto(powerful, undefeated, can stand and ****), Arnioutis (straight up and down fighter), Diaz (veteran with good power), Harris( classic boxer, kinda washed up but slick), Maidana (considered beastly, brawler, excellent chin, hardest hitter at 140) though it was a lesson learned for Ortiz. I said arguably because Bradley hasnt had much better comp and the "super fight was a dud". Also at the end of the day I think Ortiz would blitz him. Bradley is no stranger to the canvas. If Peterson was Bradley's toughest fight then I dont understand why its so absurd.

Good point.

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Can I ask what has change in Ortiz approach in the ring(since the Maidana fight)besides the opponent??He fought Maidana imo the same exact way he fought Berto,but with one big difference..Maidana was game lively and was willing to exchange threw out the fight..Berto was holding laying on the ropes and really just trying to survive..

Can I ask.....

who is more qualified to fight Manny than Vic ?

STILL, waiting for an answer to that question.

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I won on Victor winning his fight over Berto,so I believe he could win that fight..I also knew something like this would happen,Berto was being hype as a future Pac opponent although he has never really tested the waters against a legit threat at 147lb..And you had some fans that was kool with this(I was not one of umm)now it has shifted to Ortiz and without any of the proving fans are calling for him to fight Pac or May...Do you see the problem here??

I don't have a problem with Ortiz Pac,but I do have a problem with Ortiz Pac right now without Ortiz fighting another WW threat(Karass or Jones)or unifying the belts..It was my same problem with Berto..

Ortiz has no boxing skill what so ever do,he is athletic but skill I don't think so..His athletic ability is good for him because he can move around a bit but boxing I.Q.very low imo..Look at the Peterson fight again bro trust me it will tell ya the story..Vargas(when he was young)had very good boxing skills nice jab set traps decent ring I.Q.Bro..Ortiz not so much(but he can learn I agree)but not if pac's ya next fight ya dig??

Bradley imo beats Ortiz unless Ortiz really fixes the holes in his boxing game..People put way to much stock into power,have we earned nothing from Khan Maidana SRL Hearns Hagler SRL??

Bradley is a tough fighter no doubt about that. Ortiz proved he can be one to watch for. Both of their styles says that it will be a brawl and pressure fight. I think Ortiz is bigger and stronger and if Bradley couldn't get Ortiz out of their or atleast dominate then I give Ortiz a chance by power alone. To me, this is a 50/50 fight.

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Epic post, good stuff.

FACT: Ortiz is the most qualified to fight Pacquiao

Anyone who disagree's with that..... name a more qualified opponent.

Or is it ok for Manny to continue to feed on old faded champions and stiffs for his next 8 fights, as-was the case with his last 8

Did you read how they were getting on me for believing in Ortiz? Had the nerve to say I'm losing on this thread 10/8? My thing is. Why shouldn't Ortiz get a shot. People are saying that he would get demolished by Pac or Mayweather but I'd rather see it then talk about it. It just reminds me of when Martinez wanted Pac. All of a sudden Pac was too small. Now Ortiz is too green? Both of these guys is at the top of their game. How would Pac overwhelm Ortiz so much when Pac ain't fighting no one like Ortiz? Maybe Mosley is still more solid than Ortiz seasoned wise but I'm banking if Ortiz came at Berto like that, he would go after Pac and Mayweather and put up his best win or lose. That is what Boxing is about. Win or lose. Why all this concern for Ortiz after the performance he put on against Berto? Make the fights and stop talking about what Pac or Floyd would do. I'm just hoping Floyd was there at the fight to see his next opponent. A fight against Ortiz for either is good for them considering both are doing their best coastin impressions. I wouldn't be sursprised if Pac fought Berto next.

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Did you read how they were getting on me for believing in Ortiz? Had the nerve to say I'm losing on this thread 10/8? My thing is. Why shouldn't Ortiz get a shot. People are saying that he would get demolished by Pac or Mayweather but I'd rather see it then talk about it. It just reminds me of when Martinez wanted Pac. All of a sudden Pac was too small. Now Ortiz is too green? Both of these guys is at the top of their game. How would Pac overwhelm Ortiz so much when Pac ain't fighting no one like Ortiz? Maybe Mosley is still more solid than Ortiz seasoned wise but I'm banking if Ortiz came at Berto like that, he would go after Pac and Mayweather and put up his best win or lose. That is what Boxing is about. Win or lose. Why all this concern for Ortiz after the performance he put on against Berto? Make the fights and stop talking about what Pac or Floyd would do. I'm just hoping Floyd was there at the fight to see his next opponent. A fight against Ortiz for either is good for them considering both are doing their best coastin impressions. I wouldn't be sursprised if Pac fought Berto next.

Vic is young, hungry, on top of his game, coming off a career-defining win, and a force at 147..... Mosley, is none of those things.

Oh well, just as long as Manny win's, I guess

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Vic is young, hungry, on top of his game, coming off a career-defining win, and a force at 147..... Mosley, is none of those things.

Oh well, just as long as Manny win's, I guess

Nah, I hope Mosley shows up and does his thing. Pac should feel the wrath of the Underdogs. Another upset that big would do wonders for the sport but I know that I am asking for a lot to get Mosley as the winner but stranger things have happened.

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Well Like you said they had a common opponent in Peterson. Ortiz had a rough outting and I think he still won but *** "possibles". I think Berto was way more dangerous than anybody Bradley has faced. If you wanna talk variety then look at this Ortiz has Cambell (crafty Veteran who was on a win streak), Peterson (tough tough for anybody around the weight), Berto(powerful, undefeated, can stand and ****), Arnioutis (straight up and down fighter), Diaz (veteran with good power), Harris( classic boxer, kinda washed up but slick), Maidana (considered beastly, brawler, excellent chin, hardest hitter at 140) though it was a lesson learned for Ortiz. I said arguably because Bradley hasnt had much better comp and the "super fight was a dud". Also at the end of the day I think Ortiz would blitz him. Bradley is no stranger to the canvas. If Peterson was Bradley's toughest fight then I dont understand why its so absurd.

Because Bradley still dominated Peterson while Ortiz fought to draw..

Harris is not better opponent then Holt(not to mention Holt was a Champion)

Bradley was beating Campbell azz all around the ring while Ortiz was playing with his food..

And Witter and Alexander finish off the rest of Ortiz resume..Berto won his belt off Ricky Martin and most thought he lost to Collazo..So since having his belt he only fought one ranked opponent..Now you say Berto was more dangerous then anybody Bradley has fought how do you come to this when Berto was/is not tested in the least bit??

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You do not give Ortiz any credit for beating Berto because.....

"I'm saying would he really beat another young up in coming hungry fighter at 147lb..Berto imo was not hungry at all"

Well then, how the *** can you give Manny any credit for beating Clottey ?

Are you telling me that Clottey was " hungry " ?

You are wondering if Ortiz can "beat another young up in coming hungry fighter at 147lb"..... well then, how can you not see my point of view?

FACT: The only welter that Pac has EVER fought at 147 is, Josh Clottey.

And because Manny has not fought an opponent who is on top of his game for ANY of his last 8 fights, then I wonder if he "would he really beat another young up in coming hungry fighter at 147lb".

BTW, the only possible way that I will EVER concede on this, is if you tell me who would be a more qualified opponent for Manny than Vic?

FACT: Vic is the most qualified for a Pacquiao fight, end of story.

Easy JMM is more qualified take a peek he is the last guy who gave Pac a run..Berto was unproven at the weight(meaning he has only fought one rank opponent)that's why while I give Ortiz credit I would love to see him in with a young hungry opponent..Clottey was thought to be a tough out regardless what happen in the ring before the fight he was thought to be tough..Most thought Pac would win but still felt we might see Pac get tested..Because Pac is a good fighter tho he get's penalized does that make sense??

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But romey, Clottey made no effort whatsoever to fight back, and there are huge questions marks hanging over his performance in that fight.

Are you telling me that Clottey was a better victory for Manny than Berto was for Vic?

It hard to say,Vic really need that win or his career was over tbh..Pac was just adding another scalp to the wall..But I would say no because that help save Ortiz career,much more was at stake..

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It's not putting way to much stock in power but it is essential to beating Pacquiao or Mayweather. If you cant hurt them then you cant win. Thats all. Ortiz has a good jab but has just started realizing the importance of following instuctions. I he had for the whole Berto fight it would have been easy IMO. Looking back on Vargas the only thing he had on Ortiz was head movement which he only used when he got stunned. Very comparable styles just Vargas was less ready for the step up to me and he did well against the likes of Wright and Tito. Even with his undisciplined actions like gaining to much weight between fights. Why not Vic.

I would never compare Vargas to Ortiz dude,Vargas is a far better boxer..Maybe Ortiz can get better but as of now Vargas has him beat by like 7 or 8 miles out..

Ortiz has a good jab??What fight did he use it to any effect??