Comments Thread For: Victor Ortiz on Pacquiao Fight: I Call The Shots, Not Arum

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Ortiz and Bradley are not on the same level are ya kidding me!!!Ortiz was not even highly ranked at 140lb if ranked at all..He damn sure was not ranked at WW,Ortiz(be clear)was only picked as an opponent of Berto because he was perceived as a weak opponent..He is in noway a better position then Bradley and he is not as big as a threat tbh either..Look at the resume and win's and loses it will tell the story..

But you can't deny that both Bradley and Ortiz are good fighters and it ain't about taking time to get ready. It's about getting ready when it is time. Do you know how many young fighters have beaten older fighters who was considered better than them? Anything pops in boxing. Look what happened when Alexander stepped in the ring with Bradley. He wasn't even ready. Fighters of old fought everyone. Didn't matter how young they were.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Berto knocked Ortiz down twice. That hammer Berto dropped on Ortiz in the 6th looked way harder than that Maidana shot. Say what you want about Berto and I would probably agree to most but one thing he has is pop. Victor may or may not have fought Maidana the same way but the only difference this time is that Ortiz won. I watched that fight and Ortiz fought very good for his style. Maybe Pac/Floyd can or can't beat Ortiz down but atleast lets see the fight. Ortiz is the WBC WW champion. Are you saying that Ortiz should just sit on the title like Berto did? I would say. 1 more tough fight for him and if he performs the same or even better than the Berto fight against a someone that is legit and good. Then put him in with Pac or Floyd. I think Floyd would fight him and I wouldn't be mad at him if he did. Ortiz needs all the experience he can get in the ring.

I think you misunderstood me,I'm not saying Ortiz did not show heart getting up in the six(that was a hella of a shot)or that Berto does not have pop..what made Ortiz quit was the fact Maidana never did,he met Ortiz punch for punch and even tho KD he kept coming very relentlessly...Berto did not do the same thing is what I'm saying..Berto laid on the ropes and held..Maidana was doing no such thing he was trying to kill Ortiz it was a big difference in the way the opponents fought Ortiz..Look at Peterson,when he dug deep and started going to war with Ortiz he was backing up and was not as aggressive as he was early on in that fight..Lot's of questions imo,I don't want the answers from Pac that could be damaging to this young mans career and boxing will lose a young WW who can draw..I would rather him fight young guys and see where he is at..It just makes more sense imo..

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I understand your point of view and both Floyd and Pac after awhile went for the cash but the difference between them is that Floyd fought for his titles since JLC at the legit weights. Another thing Floyd has over Pac is the Mosley win at 147. Mosley was ranked #1. Clottey didn't even fight. Clottey stunked up the place and not blaming Pac but come on man. Clottey a good win? What did Clottey do to deserve a Pac fight? He lost all of his big fights with exception to Judah. Pac beat Clottey and more power to him but that win ain't impressive. Baldomir was a better win than that considering Baldomir had the Lineal title but Floyd gets criticized for Baldomir but Clottey is a good win for Pac? Cotto has pop in his punches but that's
about it. Ortiz would probably pressure Cotto and pressure shakes Cotto. Listen, we can all agree to disagree but right now I want to see Ortiz fight another top fighter and then I can see for myself. How will he get better if he avoids the best fighters for the big money fights?

I agree another top fighter,that don't have to be Pac he could try to unify the belts fight Karass or Jones..Then if(notice IF)he wins he can chase a Pac fight..IMO that makes a hell of a lot more sense..

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I think you misunderstood me,I'm not saying Ortiz did not show heart getting up in the six(that was a hella of a shot)or that Berto does not have pop..what made Ortiz quit was the fact Maidana never did,he met Ortiz punch for punch and even tho KD he kept coming very relentlessly...Berto did not do the same thing is what I'm saying..Berto laid on the ropes and held..Maidana was doing no such thing he was trying to kill Ortiz it was a big difference in the way the opponents fought Ortiz..Look at Peterson,when he dug deep and started going to war with Ortiz he was backing up and was not as aggressive as he was early on in that fight..Lot's of questions imo,I don't want the answers from Pac that could be damaging to this young mans career and boxing will lose a young WW who can draw..I would rather him fight young guys and see where he is at..It just makes more sense imo..

I feel you but I think Ortiz learned from his past and after Berto dropped the mallet on him. He was a lil nervous but he kept his composure and came back and scored a KD for himself. I see a fighter do that they earned my confidence and respect. My thing is, sure Pac is a talented fighter but how come he isn't fighting winning fighters? Sure Floyd fought some not so ill guys but atleast they were winning. The only way to find out if Ortiz is really a changed fighter is to keep testing him and that's it. He can write his own story.

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But you can't deny that both Bradley and Ortiz are good fighters and it ain't about taking time to get ready. It's about getting ready when it is time. Do you know how many young fighters have beaten older fighters who was considered better than them? Anything pops in boxing. Look what happened when Alexander stepped in the ring with Bradley. He wasn't even ready. Fighters of old fought everyone. Didn't matter how young they were.

It matters to an extent tho..Bradley is far more seasoned at this point then Ortiz,like I said Ortiz is young and should fight other young fighters..Ortiz is somewhat of a draw,he get's in there with Pac and get's brutalized he gains nothing loses everything and has to start from scratch with a butt load of brain damage..

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It matters to an extent tho..Bradley is far more seasoned at this point then Ortiz,like I said Ortiz is young and should fight other young fighters..Ortiz is somewhat of a draw,he get's in there with Pac and get's brutalized he gains nothing loses everything and has to start from scratch with a butt load of brain damage..

I don't know man. I'll take Pac fighting a winner over a loser anyday.

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Thats the right attitude Vic. Now is the best time for him to step up. People underestimate confidence in sports as a whole but it makes a world of difference. He's a certified champ and taking on any of the 140lbers with a par type showing would significantly affect his confidence. Losing to either of those guys (Mayweather or Pacquiao) wouldnt be anything to be ashamed of. All he has to do is have a good showing against one and it probably opens up another big money fight with the other. Right now he has the most options in boxing. If handled right he will gross in the top three in boxing within a 2yr span.

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I don't know man. I'll take Pac fighting a winner over a loser anyday.

Are you sure Pac fighting losers is ya problem with him??Cause if so Pac fought Cotto,Cotto was coming off a win..Hatton was also coming off of wins..Marga's(I hated this fight and had the most problems with it)was coming off a win as well..

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It matters to an extent tho..Bradley is far more seasoned at this point then Ortiz,like I said Ortiz is young and should fight other young fighters..Ortiz is somewhat of a draw,he get's in there with Pac and get's brutalized he gains nothing loses everything and has to start from scratch with a butt load of brain damage..

Id have to disagree. Ortiz is as seasoned or moreso than Bradley. He has arguably fought better guys and is more polished. His power far exceeds Bradley's and without power you can not beat Floyd or Pacquiao. I think Pac would actually have his hands full because of Vic's size and ability to maintain power even when he's rocked. I say go for it. As long as he boxes and works the body like a maniac he has a good chance.

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Thats the right attitude Vic. Now is the best time for him to step up. People underestimate confidence in sports as a whole but it makes a world of difference. He's a certified champ and taking on any of the 140lbers with a par type showing would significantly affect his confidence. Losing to either of those guys (Mayweather or Pacquiao) wouldnt be anything to be ashamed of. All he has to do is have a good showing against one and it probably opens up another big money fight with the other. Right now he has the most options in boxing. If handled right he will gross in the top three in boxing within a 2yr span.

If he fights either he will be beating badly and his future will be dim to say the least..Why not take long paper over paper right now??How much you think Pac's gonna give him to take that azz kicking he's gonna get??1-2 mill peanuts..When he become a big draw down the line by fighting guy's on his same level..If I GBP I say it's a no brainer and Hoya should now first hand what that azz kicking is going to fell like,he should protect his fighter..