Comments Thread For: Victor Ortiz on Pacquiao Fight: I Call The Shots, Not Arum

[victorythagr8]

I'm just making a point. People are saying Berto is not in Pac's league and is untested but cosign Pac fighting a guy who is almost out of it (Mosley). These are the excuses for boxing fans now that don't want to see their guy fight? When Berto was champion people were complaining about him not testing himself and being babied but now Ortiz beats him and is the new champion and he is not ready for Pac? Let him be the judge of that. Ortiz is a WW champion, what's not ready about him? Peeople talk about Canelo, Chavez Jr and so forth but always have an excuse on why a fighter shouldn't fight another. Acting like Pac is fighting beaters. Nobody is giving Shane a chance but that fight is cooler for Pac than Ortiz? The reason why I brought up Martinez is because Pac won his belt there. Sure it was at a catchweight of 150 but how come on his hit list he has Margarito at 154? Thought he was too small. Pac wants Marquez at 147 but not Ortiz who is a full WW now? Guess it's ok for Pac to fight Marquez over Ortiz right?

Dude the reason why people dont want oritiz to fight pacquaio because he is still green and we dont want to see another young fighter ruined. Really just because Ortiz beat another hypejob(i call it the pirog effect) that it doesnt mean Ortiz is ready for pacquaio. I want ortiz to fight Clottey or even collazo to see if he is ready for the elite of 147 since those 2 are the gatekeepers. and just like the reason nobody want berto to fight pacquaio because dude was trying to get a massive payday without paying his due. It has nothing to do with people protecting pacquaio. The reason people rather watch marquez fight pacquaio, because marquez been chasing pacquaio since the 2nd fight and he actually earned his fight with him. They also have a strong history. But i only would want the fight at 140 and nothing more.

**** if you think people dont give shane a chance, what makes you think a guy who gets dropped alot, who has questionable heart, and stamina problem will get.

And i bet if pacquaio beats Ortiz, you will not give pacquaio any credit anyway and say he was green.

[jltsmae]

I'm just making a point. People are saying Berto is not in Pac's league and is untested but cosign Pac fighting a guy who is almost out of it (Mosley). These are the excuses for boxing fans now that don't want to see their guy fight? When Berto was champion people were complaining about him not testing himself and being babied but now Ortiz beats him and is the new champion and he is not ready for Pac? Let him be the judge of that. Ortiz is a WW champion, what's not ready about him? Peeople talk about Canelo, Chavez Jr and so forth but always have an excuse on why a fighter shouldn't fight another. Acting like Pac is fighting beaters. Nobody is giving Shane a chance but that fight is cooler for Pac than Ortiz? The reason why I brought up Martinez is because Pac won his belt there. Sure it was at a catchweight of 150 but how come on his hit list he has Margarito at 154? Thought he was too small. Pac wants Marquez at 147 but not Ortiz who is a full WW now? Guess it's ok for Pac to fight Marquez over Ortiz right?

The point is Pac will fight anybody at the right weight (i don't think he will @154 anymore after that Margo fight). I would love to see Pac fight 1: Floyd, 2: Anybody at WW & JWW... But you know that boxing is business, so it is really up to Arum...

[Rome-By-Ko]

Dude the reason why people dont want oritiz to fight pacquaio because he is still green and we dont want to see another young fighter ruined. Really just because Ortiz beat another hypejob(i call it the pirog effect) that it doesnt mean Ortiz is ready for pacquaio. I want ortiz to fight Clottey or even collazo to see if he is ready for the elite of 147 since those 2 are the gatekeepers. and just like the reason nobody want berto to fight pacquaio because dude was trying to get a massive payday without paying his due. It has nothing to do with people protecting pacquaio. The reason people rather watch marquez fight pacquaio, because marquez been chasing pacquaio since the 2nd fight and he actually earned his fight with him. They also have a strong history. But i only would want the fight at 140 and nothing more.

**** if you think people dont give shane a chance, what makes you think a guy who gets dropped alot, who has questionable heart, and stamina problem will get.

And i bet if pacquaio beats Ortiz, you will not give pacquaio any credit anyway and say he was green.

Thank god for you the true break down,but expect for people to talk about Pac's resume and who he has fought(dude fought the whole top 5 batch of WW from 09)when Ortiz has fought nobody..An this is the guy they want to fight Pac instead of JMM??WTF I say go get a few fights and build ya self up for the future,Ortiz fighting Pac makes his future look very dim..A beating from Maidana and Pac I don't know if the kid will ever be the same..

[jltsmae]

Thank god for you the true break down,but expect for people to talk about Pac's resume and who has fought(dude fought the whole top 5 batch of WW from 09)when Ortiz has fought nobody..An this is the guy they want to fight Pac instead of JMM??WTF I say go get a few fights and build ya self up for the future,Ortiz fighting Pac makes his future look very dim..A beating from Maidana and Pac I don't know if the kid will ever be the same..

Funny people here think that Ortiz who beats Berto >>> than Shane... how could that be when Ortiz and Berto has not beaten Shane yet...

[ALG United]

I think Manny will have NO problem fighting Ortiz, Ortiz may have the speed and power to compete but his style play up to Manny's style. Manny always love to fight this kind of boxers... And Manny will knock him out...

[ALG United]

Dude the reason why people dont want oritiz to fight pacquaio because he is still green and we dont want to see another young fighter ruined. Really just because Ortiz beat another hypejob(i call it the pirog effect) that it doesnt mean Ortiz is ready for pacquaio. I want ortiz to fight Clottey or even collazo to see if he is ready for the elite of 147 since those 2 are the gatekeepers. and just like the reason nobody want berto to fight pacquaio because dude was trying to get a massive payday without paying his due. It has nothing to do with people protecting pacquaio. The reason people rather watch marquez fight pacquaio, because marquez been chasing pacquaio since the 2nd fight and he actually earned his fight with him. They also have a strong history. But i only would want the fight at 140 and nothing more.

**** if you think people dont give shane a chance, what makes you think a guy who gets dropped alot, who has questionable heart, and stamina problem will get.

And i bet if pacquaio beats Ortiz, you will not give pacquaio any credit anyway and say he was green.

Well said man, as what i've also said in my other posts before, before Berto lost his zero, I would have loved for Manny to fight with Berto for the simple reasons that Berto is young, undefeated and has the belts, but i never said that Berto will win, he was still considered green when compared to the elite fighters, and thus follows with Ortiz now, Ortiz has the same predicament as Berto before... But i don't mind Manny fighting Ortiz, and i think Manny will fight him, just don't make excuses that Ortiz was green if ever Manny KO's this boy!!!

[jrosales13]

Please. Think about this for one second (I know it's hard for you to think at all, but please..........do me the favor.) Who else were Clottey and Margarito going to fight, if they didn't fight Pacquiao? Where else could they have made the type of money they would have made, if they didn't fight Pacquiao?

I'll tell you where: Nowhere. And you don't think, that maybe........just MAYBE that if Uncle Bob threw in a couple extra million for them to throw the fights, that they WOULDN'T take it?

**** OFF. Money talks brah. In boxing............in ANY walk of life. And from what I saw from BOTH those fighters on the nights that they faced Pacquiao, it was FAR from their best.

Just like what will happen in the Mosley fight. If I had the money, I'd put $10million on Pacquaio, because there's NO WAY, he loses this fight. NONE. What so ever. Mosley is there to collect a paycheck, and ride off into the sunset.

And you know what? 1 million PLUS idiotic Pac supporters will buy the fight to show support.

Why fight someone like Floyd, when you can make this kinda' money fighting guys showing up to collect a check, and make millions in the process for yourself?

Anyone who can't see that this is CLEARLY what Top Rank/Team Pacquiao are doing, is a fool.

He's not taking tough fights anymore, because his legacy is cemented. He'll make millions regardless.

The only fool here is you, if you really believe that.

[KTFO]

WTF has Ortiz been smokin? He's a solid young fighter with question marks that beat another solid young fighter with question marks (see Berto). As far as people ducking him @ 140, it's hard to make a top fight when you get stopped (see Maidana) and have to rebuild your career. It's also hard to make a top fight when you draw (see Peterson) against average competition. He was lucky GBP even got him a title shot @ 147. I'd like to see Victor fight any of the legit 147's or 140's looking to move up. As far as the top dawgs, yeah very good fights for Victor but he shouldn't feel entitled to those fights because last time I counted he has 1 good win under his belt.

[Monte Fisto]

everybodies feelings are hurt because of a sparring session that pac admitted but refuse to talk about. its guaranteed that in reality ortiz vs pac won't happen because ortiz is'nt old,shot,and can't be weight drained.its to the point where pac wants to weight gain jmm.

How the hell can someone admit to something and refuse to talk about it ?


Here's an example: A PAC hater can easily twist this vid below and say that this is proof of PAC getting whupped on by a 17 year old. But, we all know what's really going on in this vid.

[GRUSTLER]

I would be much more interested in Ortiz/Mayweather at this point.

Lately, it seems although Top Rank/Bob Arum are looking for fighters to fight Manny who are willing to roll over. Ortiz doesn't seem to want to do that. In other words, he has a pulse. Manny isn't fighting ANYONE with a pulse, so long as he can fight the Clotteys, Margaritos, and Mosleys of the world while making $10million a fight for fun.

Manny is the cash cow. Uncle Bob isn't going to let go of him that easily. Ortiz too much risk, for too little reward at this point. Hopefully Floyd steps up, and whoops Ortiz. Because, to be completely honest, I don't think Manny takes the fight.

EXACTLY it ain't about how green Ortiz is because none of these posters talking that nonsense care about him in anyway. I believe the fact that he won in such a dominate fashion has all of these people saying Pac would demolish him. Pac ain't fight a young, hungry, fighter/champion in how long? Making Pac out to be so great when he is not even fighting dominate fighters or winners. I'm sick of some of you coming on here protecting Pac. I always here Floyd should fight Paul Williams or Martinez but Pac is too small for them? Martinez should stop ducking Pirog when clearly he is not even in Martinez's league but Sergio is ducking him? Ortiz wins big against an undefeated champion and all of a sudden he ain't ready for Pac? Pac hasn't fought anyone that people thought was good enough to hang with him in a long time. Posters on here always want to bring up that I bet against Pac but not thinking that out of everyone I was the only one that thought atleast it would be competitive when nobody else did.

Call me optimistic or just plain dumb for believing the hype around Pac fights. Ortiz would probably put up a better fight than any of the other fighters Pac fought, put up. So much hypocrisy going on in here that it is ridiculous. Pac can fight all the no hopers in the world but when it comes to a fighter that is winning and or dominate. All of a sudden Pac is too good or small for him? So if a guy like Mosley can't hang with Pac and Ortiz can't hang with Pac, then who is there left to fight? Floyd ain't talking about fighting so who else? Marquez at 147? But not Ortiz right? Everybody made a fuss how Pac beats a bigger Margarito but said Pac is too small to fight Martinez BUT Pac STILL wants to get credit for Margarito at 154? Manny Pacquiao is a fraud. Once I saw the list and the weights for Cotto and Margarito, I just got disgusted. I don't care what none of you say because I know what it is.