Comments Thread For: Victor Ortiz on Pacquiao Fight: I Call The Shots, Not Arum

[JAS_JAS]

WTF is wrong with these posters on here who are trying to argue that ORTIZ will do this and that to pac, lolz, as consumers and fans of both fighters all you idiots should be concerned about is if the fight is entertaining and your money's worth, not to post stuff that will never ever involve you idiots...if he beats PAC fine if PAC beats ortiz fine also, as long as we are entertained...how I wish there are alot of these fighters today, not some silly dancing and running around the ring like a clown, this is boxing you hit and you will get hit, if you dont want to get hit then do BADMINTON...lolz...i dont know why people brag that they're slick and not get hit lolz...the only thing "slick" bring is "boring ass fights"

[Rome-By-Ko]

Then how hungry was Clottey, because you were giving him credit ?

I never gave Clottey any credit,I gave Pac credit for fighting him and making him looked out matched..Which no other fighter was able to do..

[Rome-By-Ko]

Hold on, exactly what words are we talking about here ?

Words are combined to construct a sentence.

A sentence is either factually correct, or it is not.

Specifially, which words were invalid ?

If you are gonna throw my words under a bus, let's not generalise.



Rubbish.

Clottey was unmarked, and never in trouble.

These were the excuses that Clottey gave during an interview.

Each of these excuses were used in a different sentence.

1.) " I don't know how to explain..... "
2.) " I really don't understand what happened to me in that fight..... "
3.) " I just think it was one of those things..... "
4.) " I don't know what happened..... "
5.) " I knew I could hurt him when I threw my power shots..... "
6.) " I didn't feel like his punches really hurt me..... "
7.) " I felt OK after..... "
8.) " there are so many reasons the fight happened the way it did..... "

http://www.boxingscene.com/clottey-b...rgarito--28918

Clottey put on one-hell-of an inept performance for somebody who appeared to be able to hit, and hurt, his opponent at will.

He ignored every instinct that a " fighter " possesses.

And the backing off in round 6 (was it?), when Manny was on the ropes covering up after Clottey had out-punched him..... was more than bizarre.

Clottey stopped his assault, backed up to the centre of the ring, Manny came forward, Clottey gloved up, and away Manny went..... just like clockwork.

I have only ever seen that happen in the gym, or during an exhibition match.

As I said, that went against every instinct that a " fighter " has.

Bro, you can go fishing all day long if you wish, but your success will only be judged upon the size of the fish that you bring home..... and that one was a tiddler

Where I come from, ya gotta throw those little ones back



Well, Hatton was never really a top fighter, but he was well-faded at that point, and had just had his clock cleaned by Mayweather..... Cotto was well-faded also, and had been battered by Margarito.

They were both cracked egg's, well-faded, and coming off devastating losses.



Many great fighters did not possess, or use, a good jab, including a number of ATG's.

Prime is not defined by your skillset or style, and not even necessarily by age either. Prime is defined by how "on top of your game" you happen to be, and right now..... Ortiz is on top of his game.

None of Pac's last 8 opponents (incl Mosley) were " on top of their game ".

If you call a win over a hype up fighter on top of ya game I would have to question what's ya definition of the word..Ortiz is a fight removed from a draw with a smaller fighter,three fights removed from quitting in the ring from a(very)limited fighter..On top of his game would be after he won a legit threat at 147lb..

[gopi11]

Absolutely, boxingscene's #1 match-maker nails it again.

If Pacquiao and Mayweather do not fight each other, then the very next name that either one should pull out of the hat, must be Ortiz.

So, we will just disregard the Top Rank and Golden Boy feud if we want the Pacquiao/Ortiz fight in the future? I hate this $h1t as much as the next guy here, because keeping fights within your own stable shouldn't be the norm, but let's be realistic here. Putting the blame solely on Pacquiao if it doesn't happen is just plain wrong. Next thing you know, they'll say that Pac is ducking and some dumb shmuck here (and there are a lot of them) it will run with it like it's the $h1t...

[Squizz]

I would be much more interested in Ortiz/Mayweather at this point.

Lately, it seems although Top Rank/Bob Arum are looking for fighters to fight Manny who are willing to roll over. Ortiz doesn't seem to want to do that. In other words, he has a pulse. Manny isn't fighting ANYONE with a pulse, so long as he can fight the Clotteys, Margaritos, and Mosleys of the world while making $10million a fight for fun.

Manny is the cash cow. Uncle Bob isn't going to let go of him that easily. Ortiz too much risk, for too little reward at this point. Hopefully Floyd steps up, and whoops Ortiz. Because, to be completely honest, I don't think Manny takes the fight.

[lfc19titles]

I would be much more interested in Ortiz/Mayweather at this point.

Lately, it seems although Top Rank/Bob Arum are looking for fighters to fight Manny who are willing to roll over. Ortiz doesn't seem to want to do that. In other words, he has a pulse. Manny isn't fighting ANYONE with a pulse, so long as he can fight the Clotteys, Margaritos, and Mosleys of the world while making $10million a fight for fun.

Manny is the cash cow. Uncle Bob isn't going to let go of him that easily. Ortiz too much risk, for too little reward at this point. Hopefully Floyd steps up, and whoops Ortiz. Because, to be completely honest, I don't think Manny takes the fight.

and floyd takes risks?

clottey was the 4th ranked ring ww in the world when manny fought him

margarito is the man floyd ran from into retirement, hell he made floyd stutter like a crack addict when margarito confronted him

honestly anyone who says fighting a good fighter who has 15-18 pounds on you is not a risk, then they know nothing about boxing

its funny how haters like you jump on anything, first it was berto and now ortiz, you lack respect for the sport of boxing, never post on here again you worthless waste of space

[WESS]

Awesome attitude! At the end of the day his style is not technical enough to beat Floyd and he's too exgressive to beat Pac. Much respect to Ortiz though. Problem is Bob Arum doesn't care about who's the best or who's the champion. Its all about in house money.

[Squizz]

and floyd takes risks?

clottey was the 4th ranked ring ww in the world when manny fought him

margarito is the man floyd ran from into retirement, hell he made floyd stutter like a crack addict when margarito confronted him

honestly anyone who says fighting a good fighter who has 15-18 pounds on you is not a risk, then they know nothing about boxing

its funny how haters like you jump on anything, first it was berto and now ortiz, you lack respect for the sport of boxing, never post on here again you worthless waste of space

Please. Think about this for one second (I know it's hard for you to think at all, but please..........do me the favor.) Who else were Clottey and Margarito going to fight, if they didn't fight Pacquiao? Where else could they have made the type of money they would have made, if they didn't fight Pacquiao?

I'll tell you where: Nowhere. And you don't think, that maybe........just MAYBE that if Uncle Bob threw in a couple extra million for them to throw the fights, that they WOULDN'T take it?

**** OFF. Money talks brah. In boxing............in ANY walk of life. And from what I saw from BOTH those fighters on the nights that they faced Pacquiao, it was FAR from their best.

Just like what will happen in the Mosley fight. If I had the money, I'd put $10million on Pacquaio, because there's NO WAY, he loses this fight. NONE. What so ever. Mosley is there to collect a paycheck, and ride off into the sunset.

And you know what? 1 million PLUS idiotic Pac supporters will buy the fight to show support.

Why fight someone like Floyd, when you can make this kinda' money fighting guys showing up to collect a check, and make millions in the process for yourself?

Anyone who can't see that this is CLEARLY what Top Rank/Team Pacquiao are doing, is a fool.

He's not taking tough fights anymore, because his legacy is cemented. He'll make millions regardless.

[gopi11]

Please. Think about this for one second (I know it's hard for you to think at all, but please..........do me the favor.) Who else were Clottey and Margarito going to fight, if they didn't fight Pacquiao? Where else could they have made the type of money they would have made, if they didn't fight Pacquiao?

I'll tell you where: Nowhere. And you don't think, that maybe........just MAYBE that if Uncle Bob threw in a couple extra million for them to throw the fights, that they WOULDN'T take it?

**** OFF. Money talks brah. In boxing............in ANY walk of life. And from what I saw from BOTH those fighters on the nights that they faced Pacquiao, it was FAR from their best.

Just like what will happen in the Mosley fight. If I had the money, I'd put $10million on Pacquaio, because there's NO WAY, he loses this fight. NONE. What so ever. Mosley is there to collect a paycheck, and ride off into the sunset.

And you know what? 1 million PLUS idiotic Pac supporters will buy the fight to show support.

Why fight someone like Floyd, when you can make this kinda' money fighting guys showing up to collect a check, and make millions in the process for yourself?

Anyone who can't see that this is CLEARLY what Top Rank/Team Pacquiao are doing, is a fool.

He's not taking tough fights anymore, because his legacy is cemented. He'll make millions regardless.

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I know you were hurt when Hatton got KTFO, but I did not know that your were this butthurt to accuse Clottey and Margarito that they took money to take a dive against Pacquiao. Let it go brah, are you still in denial stage all this time?

[GRUSTLER]

GEZZZ... Pac is fighting Shane next 2 weeks time YET you already want him to fight Matinez and Ortiz... do you really wants him dead???

I'm just making a point. People are saying Berto is not in Pac's league and is untested but cosign Pac fighting a guy who is almost out of it (Mosley). These are the excuses for boxing fans now that don't want to see their guy fight? When Berto was champion people were complaining about him not testing himself and being babied but now Ortiz beats him and is the new champion and he is not ready for Pac? Let him be the judge of that. Ortiz is a WW champion, what's not ready about him? Peeople talk about Canelo, Chavez Jr and so forth but always have an excuse on why a fighter shouldn't fight another. Acting like Pac is fighting beaters. Nobody is giving Shane a chance but that fight is cooler for Pac than Ortiz? The reason why I brought up Martinez is because Pac won his belt there. Sure it was at a catchweight of 150 but how come on his hit list he has Margarito at 154? Thought he was too small. Pac wants Marquez at 147 but not Ortiz who is a full WW now? Guess it's ok for Pac to fight Marquez over Ortiz right?