Told ya Berto was a hype job..

[Rome-By-Ko]

Thats the thing what Berto fans? I dont get Rom sometimes.. He gets too emotional when it comes to his favourite fighters, You would hardly see more than 5 geniune posters on here who were Berto's fan.

LMAO I'm a passionate fan is there something wrong with that??I have the same passion about the sport of boxing..If someone gives me a fact about Mosley it's not like I can not deal with it..Right??

[Rome-By-Ko]

Playa your bias for Shane and your hate for berto is some next level ****.

And you are bias for fighter with black skin..

[Ko King 212]

And you are bias for fighter with black skin..

Put a link where I said a fighter was better then another because he was black. Just because I dont let the racist bull**** slide that go on on the scene don't mean I don't love other boxers of different nationalities. Unlike most of you dudes on here Im in the gym everyday training with mexicans, p. Ricans, white, Irish , etc... So race don't matter. But I'd be damned if I let some punk azz dude on the Internet **** on black fighters because of there race.

And to top it off I never cared for Paul Williams. So how the f-ck I'm I bias.

I gotta take brake from NSB. Dudes are either d1ck riders or straight up ******.

[size15shoe]

Ask ya self that same question,would you consider Hoya at the time Mosley fought him a hype job??That's a dumb question(no offense)Look at their resumes and then get back to me..

Homie, youre missing my point..

Its not about resumes or who fought who.. Both Oscar and Sugar Shane were really, really good.

Look at it this way, resumes EXCLUDED, compare Ortiz and Sugar Shane, in terms of them moving up in weight and beating the champion in that higher weight division. Based off of YOUR logic, Berto was overrated because he lost to an unranked 147lb'er. So far, so good..

Now, Sugar Shane wasnt ranked at 147 AT ALL (he relinquished his lightweight titles to move up 17 lbs) but he moved up to 147 and BEAT De La Hoya.

Here is the parallelism between Mosely and Ortiz: Ortiz was/is ranked as TOP 10 140lb, who moved up in weight (to 147lbs) and beat the current champion (Berto). Sugar Shane was a top ranked 130lb fighter who moved up in weight and beat the then-current champion (Oscar)

Based off of your logic of Berto being overrated because he lost to an unranked 147lb'er, Oscar, in essence, (and once again based off of your logic) is overrated as well because he lost to an unranked 147lb Mosely.. There is NO difference between Ortiz and Mosley in terms of both fighters moving up in weight and beating the current champion..

In other words, If you dont consider De La Hoya overrated for losing to Sugar Shane, a former lightweight, then how can you consider Berto overrated for losing to Ortiz, a former light welter?

[AeKhuban]

I think Berto that lost to Ortiz is not a hype-job. Maybe the previous Berto. The guy have been knockdown but survived the 12 rounds, he even retaliate unfortunately he got reckless. Hype-job example for me is like Alexander. Never knockdown and a little headbutt make him can't see then quit.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Put a link where I said a fighter was better then another because he was black. Just because I dont let the racist bull**** slide that go on on the scene don't mean I don't love other boxers of different nationalities. Unlike most of you dudes on here Im in the gym everyday training with mexicans, p. Ricans, white, Irish , etc... So race don't matter. But I'd be damned if I let some punk azz dude on the Internet **** on black fighters because of there race.

And to top it off I never cared for Paul Williams. So how the f-ck I'm I bias.

I gotta take brake from NSB. Dudes are either d1ck riders or straight up ******.

Sorry don't mean to offend you,but every time I'm talking with you you are defending a black fighter or saying because a fighter is black he is not being treated fairly..I just don't by into that,if you are not a racist that's great but it seems yor are a bit bias towards Black fighters from what I have seen from you in post..

[Rome-By-Ko]

Homie, youre missing my point..

Its not about resumes or who fought who.. Both Oscar and Sugar Shane were really, really good.

Look at it this way, resumes EXCLUDED, compare Ortiz and Sugar Shane, in terms of them moving up in weight and beating the champion in that higher weight division. Based off of YOUR logic, Berto was overrated because he lost to an unranked 147lb'er. So far, so good..

Now, Sugar Shane wasnt ranked at 147 AT ALL (he relinquished his lightweight titles to move up 17 lbs) but he moved up to 147 and BEAT De La Hoya.

Here is the parallelism between Mosely and Ortiz: Ortiz was/is ranked as TOP 10 140lb, who moved up in weight (to 147lbs) and beat the current champion (Berto). Sugar Shane was a top ranked 130lb fighter who moved up in weight and beat the then-current champion (Oscar)

Based off of your logic of Berto being overrated because he lost to an unranked 147lb'er, Oscar, in essence, (and once again based off of your logic) is overrated as well because he lost to an unranked 147lb Mosely.. There is NO difference between Ortiz and Mosley in terms of both fighters moving up in weight and beating the current champion..

In other words, If you dont consider De La Hoya overrated for losing to Sugar Shane, a former lightweight, then how can you consider Berto overrated for losing to Ortiz, a former light welter?

Ok first I never said because he lost to a non WW he was a hype job(where do you guy's get this stuff??)I said to make matters worse..Highlight that Matters Worse..My logic for thinking Berto is/was a hype job was based on what he has done in his career so far..How long has he had that belt??Yet no unification fights??No notable win at all tbh..Once again you can't compare Mosley to Ortiz..Yes Ortiz is a good fighter(so is Berto for that matter)..But Mosley was the num1 LW in the world not just top ten..He was also undefeated and looked at totally differently then Ortiz was going into their respective fights..

At the end of the day you will always use resume to find out a hype,it will always be about who ya fought(or did not fight)just the way it is and that is my logic..Where all this other stuff ya talking about came from I don't know sorry if that's the way it came across..

[Lorily]

Lol, Find me one post where i said he deserve a Pac fight over Mosley, Just one post and i would give you 400M points, Secondly he deserve 50-50 with Mosley because of market value, Mosley had no market value, Berto made ****** money KO bums on HBO and you want him to fight Mosley for less?

The difference between me and you is i can see from both side because i dont like Berto and i dont care for Mosley neither, But you're a Mosley fan so obviously you would act like a girl whenever it involves Mosley so i do understand.

Again find me a post where i think Berto should fight Pac first over Mosley, I didnt think the fight was a bad idea to be honest but i think Pac destroyed Berto and am sure while you were searching for that 400M post you would come across at least 3-4 post of mine which i pointed out how Pac would destroy Berto.

I dont give Mosley is due how? Because i said he deserve to share 50-50 with Berto? Berto makes more money fighting bums on HBO than Mosley makes fighting the same bum.. This isnt disrespectful to shane its called Market-Value.

You are reiterating Romeys point here Ray .and you don't even seem to realize it... The whole crux of his arguement is that Berto was a hype job because he was being overpaid to fight BUMS on HBO. You're actually backing up the very arguement that you're trying to prove he is wrong in saying. Because Berto makes more money fighting BUMs (TRUE DEFINITION OF A HBO HYPE JOB) then Mosely does, he should make 50/50 fighting a HOF who actually fought his way up through the ranks fighting tough competition??? Surely you see how ridiculous that sounds?

[LoStranger]

I agree with KoKing and the other lad who brought comparisons to DLH and Shane Mosley. I dnt see how knocking down Ortiz twice and losing a good exciting fight to a clearly good fighter constitutes to Berto being "exposed"

I've kept a close eye on romebyko and he clearly has a bias towards coloured fighters. His posts clearly contradict events that have happend in history with other fighters.

[Rome-By-Ko]

You are reiterating Romeys point here Ray .and you don't even seem to realize it... The whole crux of his arguement is that Berto was a hype job because he was being overpaid to fight BUMS on HBO. You're actually backing up the very arguement that you're trying to prove he is wrong in saying. Because Berto makes more money fighting BUMs (TRUE DEFINITION OF A HBO HYPE JOB) then Mosely does, he should make 50/50 fighting a HOF who actually fought his way up through the ranks fighting tough competition??? Surely you see how ridiculous that sounds?

I really don't think he will Lorily(hey by the way)he will just throw out numbers..