Shaver's Punching Power Is Completely Overrated.

[Spray_resistant]

Yeah, vastly overrated TS.....he was fighting 180 and 190lb guys for much of his career.

[Boxin']

Shannon Briggs is less brain damaged than Muhammad Ali. And he said Vitali punched harder than Foreman and Lennox.

I'll take his opinion over a Parkinsons ridden Ali.

Parkinsons doesnt affect his thinking, phaggot

RED K GIVEN

[Rassclot]

Parkinsons doesnt affect his thinking, phaggot

RED K GIVEN

i'm not the phaggot that has so much manlove that denies the fact that parkinsons affects one's ability to think.

you are in fact the phaggot.

[jimmy1569]

both wlad and vitali are bigger men with bigger punching power. It's easy to see. What was shavers anyways? 6'2 or 6'3 and 210 pounds? Thats a baby compared to the K bros. Now im not saying bigger means hitting harder, but both K bros have natural K.O power to go with their giant size.

This nostalgia bull**** needs to stop. I don't care what ali or holmes said 40 years ago, they never fought beasts like the K bros.

Straight to the point!

[edgarg]

This has become an intriguing topic. My opinon is that the hardest puncher is the puncher who can KO his opponent with ONE punch. it's just common sense, and the KO's resulting from a barrage of punches, where the guy is stunned and an easy mark, or susceptible from accumulated punishment are just not of the same quality for strength.

I've seen Pipino Cuevas in a fight where the action was just normal and suddenly, out of nowhere, he hit the guy and he dropped for the count. Tommy Hearns was noted for the same thing. I've seen Naseem Hamed do it also. WK KO'd Brock with 1 punch. And I think that Brock was the most awkward fighter he ever faced. Klitschko wasn't able to figure him out really until about the 5-6th rd.

All the top fighters that you guys have quoted as saying that "Shavers was the hardest puncher I've ever fought" very likely beat him, and this only enhances their own reputations. I don't believe them myself.

A fighter is likely to remember a punch that stunned him as being the hardest he ever received, because he would be still conscious, and has felt the effects.

The fighter who is hit and it's "lights out" doesn't even remember getting hit, so to him it wasn't a hard punch, he never felt a thing.

So if, say for example, Briggs says that Klitschko is the hardest puncher he ever faced, it's because he was conscious all the time and can remember the stunning feelings.

Very late in my own career, I was knocked down for the 1st and only time ever, and rolled over and got up in the same movement. I didn't even know I'd been hit, and thought I'd tripped. But the ref was just going to begin a count, and I could hear actual bells in my ears, so it MUST have been a hell of a wallop. If I'd taken many heavy punches before I was knocked down, then I'd remember them and be able to say that THAT guy was a hell of a heavy puncher.

This makes me doubt that the fighter himself who has been suddenly KO'd is the best judge. And I doubt Ali anyway because he talked a heavy load of nonsense most of the time. That was what brought him to public attention in the first place, his brashness and loose tongue, plus his very flawed style. An Olympic medal didn't mean nearly as much for a guy's reputation years ago, like it does today. it's what you did in the ring. The VAST majority of the top fighters ever, weren't Olympic medal winners.

Common sense. On another matter, I think the RING list is very skewed, with undeserving fighters in front of harder punchers.

This makes me thing that they made their list from BOXREC just by counting the percentage of stoppages and actual KO's, and not really investigating with deep thought.

Just my opinion.

[Rassclot]

This has become an intriguing topic. My opinon is that the hardest puncher is the puncher who can KO his opponent with ONE punch. it's just common sense, and the KO's resulting from a barrage of punches, where the guy is stunned and an easy mark, or susceptible from accumulated punishment are just not of the same quality for strength.

I've seen Pipino Cuevas in a fight where the action was just normal and suddenly, out of nowhere, he hit the guy and he dropped for the count. Tommy Hearns was noted for the same thing. I've seen Naseem Hamed do it also. WK KO'd Brock with 1 punch. And I think that Brock was the most awkward fighter he ever faced. Klitschko wasn't able to figure him out really until about the 5-6th rd.

All the top fighters that you guys have quoted as saying that "Shavers was the hardest puncher I've ever fought" very likely beat him, and this only enhances their own reputations. I don't believe them myself.

A fighter is likely to remember a punch that stunned him as being the hardest he ever received, because he would be still conscious, and has felt the effects.

The fighter who is hit and it's "lights out" doesn't even remember getting hit, so to him it wasn't a hard punch, he never felt a thing.

So if, say for example, Briggs says that Klitschko is the hardest puncher he ever faced, it's because he was conscious all the time and can remember the stunning feelings.

Very late in my own career, I was knocked down for the 1st and only time ever, and rolled over and got up in the same movement. I didn't even know I'd been hit, and thought I'd tripped. But the ref was just going to begin a count, and I could hear actual bells in my ears, so it MUST have been a hell of a wallop. If I'd taken many heavy punches before I was knocked down, then I'd remember them and be able to say that THAT guy was a hell of a heavy puncher.

This makes me doubt that the fighter himself who has been suddenly KO'd is the best judge. And I doubt Ali anyway because he talked a heavy load of nonsense most of the time. That was what brought him to public attention in the first place, his brashness and loose tongue, plus his very flawed style. An Olympic medal didn't mean nearly as much for a guy's reputation years ago, like it does today. it's what you did in the ring. The VAST majority of the top fighters ever, weren't Olympic medal winners.

Common sense. On another matter, I think the RING list is very skewed, with undeserving fighters in front of harder punchers.

This makes me thing that they made their list from BOXREC just by counting the percentage of stoppages and actual KO's, and not really investigating with deep thought.

Just my opinion.

That is one educated post.


Agreed 100%.

[hweightblogger]

Ali and Holmes both said Shavers hit the hardest, and collectively those two fought Liston, Foreman, Tyson, Frazier, and Holyfield.

Yeah, and Holmes was Tyson's b*tch and YET claimed that Shavers hit harder. Clay's and Holmes' assessment is worthless.

[hweightblogger]

Shavers would be a featherfist nowadays

Shavers KOperformance is mainly based on KOing cruisers (sub-200 opponents).

Once you check his performance against what-we-nowadays-call heavyweights (215+ lbs) it turns out Shavers would merely be a featherfist nowadays (11 KOs in 23 fights).

Here are the real statistics of Shavers, not some nostalgic fantasies:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...2&postcount=58

and

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...3&postcount=51

Wlad fought 20x against boxers with a better KOratio than Shavers.

Everybody who claims that Shavers is even remotely comparable to the Klitschkos needs a serious head surgery. The Klitschkos are approximately 4-5 punch classes above Shavers.

Additionally Shavers was a cherry-picker thus even his bad KOratio is blown up:

Shavers' record in a nutshell:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...&postcount=269


Additionally Shavers was only dangerous in the first rounds (unlike the Klitschkos who are dangerous from the first minute to the last):
You know how many KOs he scored in rounds 7-12 in real heavyweight fights (200x2)? He had 17(!) fights that went that long and he scored only 3 KOs.

You know what the weight of his average KOwin was? A median 200 lbs.

You have to swallow the wake-up pill and finally accept that the Klitschkos are approximately 10-20x more dangerous than Shavers, based on the SPEED, WEIGHT, AMOUNT and QUALITY of KOwins compared to Shavers.

Let me also add, that when Ali and Holmes (whom Shavers lost to) claim that Shavers hit soooo hard they are of course merely praising their own win.

[Rassclot]

Shavers KOperformance is mainly based on KOing cruisers (sub-200 opponents).

Once you check his performance against what-we-nowadays-call heavyweights (215+ lbs) it turns out Shavers would merely be a featherfist nowadays (11 KOs in 23 fights).

Here are the real statistics of Shavers, not some nostalgic fantasies:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...2&postcount=58

and

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...3&postcount=51

Wlad fought 20x against boxers with a better KOratio than Shavers.

Everybody who claims that Shavers is even remotely comparable to the Klitschkos needs a serious head surgery. The Klitschkos are approximately 4-5 punch classes above Shavers.

Additionally Shavers was a cherry-picker thus even his bad KOratio is blown up:

Shavers' record in a nutshell:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...&postcount=269


Additionally Shavers was only dangerous in the first rounds (unlike the Klitschkos who are dangerous from the first minute to the last):
You know how many KOs he scored in rounds 7-12 in real heavyweight fights (200x2)? He had 17(!) fights that went that long and he scored only 3 KOs.

You know what the weight of his average KOwin was? A median 200 lbs.

You have to swallow the wake-up pill and finally accept that the Klitschkos are approximately 10-20x more dangerous than Shavers, based on the SPEED, WEIGHT, AMOUNT and QUALITY of KOwins compared to Shavers.

Let me also add, that when Ali and Holmes (whom Shavers lost to) claim that Shavers hit soooo hard they are of course merely praising their own win.

*BOOOM*


That is the KO of reality.


Men lie. women lie. Numbers don't lie.

[KingTito]

Shannon Briggs is less brain damaged than Muhammad Ali. And he said Vitali punched harder than Foreman and Lennox.

I'll take his opinion over a Parkinsons ridden Ali.

Disrespectful post here. You're in idiot, and this thread is awful. Earnie Shavers had 69 KOs in 75 wins. Ali said Shavers hit him the hardest, and keep in mind Ali fought Foreman, Frazier and Liston. How the **** could you even say Shannon Briggs would know better than Ali? Are you a moron?