Shaver's Punching Power Is Completely Overrated.

[Rassclot]

Earnie probably is the No. 1 amongst the hardest 1-punch hitters, confirmed by both Ali and Larry Holmes. It's not the same as to say he would have beaten Tyson or Wlad. He wouldn't. But for 1-punch power, he beat 'em.

His 1 punch power is completely overrated. He is best known for stunning Ali and losing then dropping Holmes and losing.

Other than that he has a bunch of accumulation stoppages against bums. Tyson and Wlad are much better 1 punch KO artists period.


Ernie is completely overrated as a 1 punch KO artist.



Post some 1 punch KOs to prove me wrong. We already saw the Ellis KO.


I'm waiting.

[jimmy1569]

I'm starting a new thread just for you.

Just as long as you know who 1a) & 1b) is on the new updated version of that list.. we'll call it "Punching HARD P4P For Dummies.. all weight classes included"

[Rassclot]

First of all one punch knockout power is NOT the end all be all of how much power you have behind your punches... it's just an indicator of how accurate you are with your delivery. Guys like Foreman & most sluggers it's there second & third shots that is more powerful than the one that initially got your attention as Now you no longer have a moving target & what does one do with target practice? They teeoff with there best shots. This is where guys like Foreman. VKlitschko..even Evander Holyfield start to display the ferocity of there shots. One punch power is there but the accumulation sluggers are the ones that really **** you up as they're tagging you with 5 or 6 bombs & prolonging your pain as opposed to giving you ONLY one shot & letting you off easy. It's the multiple knockdown guys within the fight that are the hardest punchers as they get to tee off on you & show you it's not lady luck at work.

What you are trying to say is guys who knockdown guys but they get back up are the hardest punchers. it's ****ing ridiculous. The only measurable quality of KO prowess is the KO effect and the best indicator is the 1 punch KO.

You are basically trying to argue for the guy that KO's people by accumulation.

Vitali is not a slugger like George Foreman. You don't know **** about boxing if you classify them together.

I can easily say in that case Vitali is the best puncher of all time. He doesn't have particular placement and he doesn't load up on his punches. Yet he has a higher KO ratio than Ernie and he also has testaments of his own. Shannon Briggs said Vitali hit harder than Foreman and Lennox Lewis.


So by YOUR criteria, do you agree Vitali is #1 hardest puncher of all time?


If not then you don't even believe your own bull****e.

[jimmy1569]

What you are trying to say is guys who knockdown guys but they get back up are the hardest punchers. it's ****ing ridiculous. The only measurable quality of KO prowess is the KO effect and the best indicator is the 1 punch KO.

You are basically trying to argue for the guy that KO's people by accumulation.

Vitali is not a slugger like George Foreman. You don't know **** about boxing if you classify them together.

I can easily say in that case Vitali is the best puncher of all time. He doesn't have particular placement and he doesn't load up on his punches. Yet he has a higher KO ratio than Ernie and he also has testaments of his own. Shannon Briggs said Vitali hit harder than Foreman and Lennox Lewis.


So by YOUR criteria, do you agree Vitali is #1 hardest puncher of all time?


If not then you don't even believe your own bull****e.

Lol.. are you ACTUALLY trying to school me on what Vitali Klitschko is all about???????? Vitali Klitschko is a boxing/slugger extraoirdinare.. what he has in common with Big GEORGE is the hammering..clubbing shots that eventually put you to sleep.. never said Vitali doesn't possess the one punch power as that would be ludicrous. Just stating knocking you down or out with one shot is NOT necessarily your best & hardest punch that is committing the crime... the follow up shots where the fighter is more stationary & you get a free target is when the third or 4 th shot you put together has more deadly repurcussions than the initial bomb. How many times have we seen fighters decapitated by the punch that was in combination.. Go look at Tua/ Ruiz FOR AN EXAMPLE... one shot put him on ***** street but it was when he was teeing off & whn he had a target that was stationary for him is when he landed & loaded up on his best shot which essentially put Ruiz to sleep. If you're going to just state that one punch connectors are the ones with the most power behind there shots..then you'll be playing the fool every time & son..you created this thread & have played the part to a tee. YOU KNOW WHO THE HARDEST PUNCHERS ARE???? The fighters who are capable of both the cumulative punching & the one punch bombs. Vitali & George are good examples of having both & Earnie Shavers is another. To state that one initial punch didn't do the damage is to discount EVERY FOLLOW UP SHOT after that... KAPISH!

[Rassclot]

Lol.. are you ACTUALLY trying to school me on what Vitali Klitschko is all about???????? Vitali Klitschko is a boxing/slugger extraoirdinare.. what he has in common with Big GEORGE is the hammering..clubbing shots that eventually put you to sleep.. never said Vitali doesn't possess the one punch power as that would be ludicrous. Just stating knocking you down or out with one shot is NOT necessarily your best & hardest punch that is committing the crime... the follow up shots where the fighter is more stationary & you get a free target is when the third or 4 th shot you put together has more deadly repurcussions than the initial bomb. How many times have we seen fighters decapitated by the punch that was in combination.. Go look at Tua/ Ruiz FOR AN EXAMPLE... one shot put him on ***** street but it was when he was teeing off & whn he had a target that was stationary for him is when he landed & loaded up on his best shot which essentially put Ruiz to sleep. If you're going to just state that one punch connectors are the ones with the most power behind there shots..then you'll be playing the fool every time & son..you created this thread & have played the part to a tee. YOU KNOW WHO THE HARDEST PUNCHERS ARE???? The fighters who are capable of both the cumulative punching & the one punch bombs. Vitali & George are good examples of having both & Earnie Shavers is another. To state that one initial punch didn't do the damage is to discount EVERY FOLLOW UP SHOT after that... KAPISH!

Try paragraphs.

show me some 1 punch KO's by Shavers. We already saw the Ellis one.

If you can't then the garbage you spew are just unicorns and revisionist ****sexuality.


Shavers punches people they get up and beat his ass. Tua has plenty of 1 punch KO's where people don't get back up.


That KO alone is greater than any KO prowess Ernie has ever shown. that is a 4 inch punch and knocks a live opponent out cold. Darrol Wilson just beat Shannon Briggs btw who was also a puncher himself.



That Tua vs Ruiz is just 1 example where he starched an iron jawed champion who had never been stopped up to and from that fight until he is way over the hill.


That is a testament to his KO power. not against you clownshoe.

[jimmy1569]

oH & i DON't NEED BRIGGS endorsement... all fighters have some sort of bias within there answers. I look at Briggs mugshot AFTER the fight for all the proof i need. I look at the fact he barely threw leather in the entire fight for fear of an even bigger vitali KLITSCHKO retaliation... i look at the first rd when Briggs first tasted the power & the speed & decided..i'll just take my chances being stationary than to actually maKE A move like he did with Lennox & Big George & all the other opponents preceding Vitali. I don't need Briggs in a hospital bed to tell me that Vitali hit harder..those are just words.. i look at the action first.

[Rassclot]

oH & i DON't NEED BRIGGS endorsement... all fighters have some sort of bias within there answers. I look at Briggs mugshot AFTER the fight for all the proof i need. I look at the fact he barely threw leather in the entire fight for fear of an even bigger vitali KLITSCHKO retaliation... i look at the first rd when Briggs first tasted the power & the speed & decided..i'll just take my chances being stationary than to actually maKE A move like he did with Lennox & Big George & all the other opponents preceding Vitali. I don't need Briggs in a hospital bed to tell me that Vitali hit harder..those are just words.. i look at the action first.

okay that's great.


my point is Vitali isn't the hardest puncher of all time but he is certain a harder puncher than Ernie Shavers.


it's funny you say you don't care about testaments.


Ernie's entire reputation is built on testaments of guys who beat his ass but throw him some crumbs of legacy by sayinng he was the hardest puncher.


The truth is, Larry Holmes doesn't even remember fighting Mike Tyson.

[Daddy T]

Shavers was one of the biggest punchers ever and if anything his power is generally underated - when asked about big punchers you always hear people say tyson, foreman, tua etc ... Shavers is right up there but to the casual fan etc he is nearly always forgotten ... Ali (who should know) said he hit harder than anybody he ever faced.

[jimmy1569]

Try paragraphs.

show me some 1 punch KO's by Shavers. We already saw the Ellis one.

If you can't then the garbage you spew are just unicorns and revisionist ****sexuality.


Shavers punches people they get up and beat his ass. Tua has plenty of 1 punch KO's where people don't get back up.


That KO alone is greater than any KO prowess Ernie has ever shown. that is a 4 inch punch and knocks a live opponent out cold. Darrol Wilson just beat Shannon Briggs btw who was also a puncher himself.



That Tua vs Ruiz is just 1 example where he starched an iron jawed champion who had never been stopped up to and from that fight until he is way over the hill.


That is a testament to his KO power. not against you clownshoe.

Son..you are all over the place... NOT DISCOUNTING the one punch artists here... just Not DISCOUNTING the ones that do it cumulatively as they get the chance to throw 3 or 4 SHOTS until there best punch lands & when that punch lands.. it garners the same results... If you have NEVER seen an Ernie Shavers highlight KO reel..i suggest you youtube it.. he's got about 60 knockouts & alot of them were with one shot bombs. The fact that you dismiss anyone as a hard puncher because his first punch didn't do the damage is why you keep on playing the fool here. I'm telling you it's both as in the end..the same results are derived from them & that is the knockout. You state Vitali KLITSCHKO IS THE HARDEST PUNCHER but fail to acknowledge his accumulative punching as the result of alot of his KO'S.. iF YOU're going to be a Vitali Klitschko fan.. at least keep the facts real & stop embarassing me with your drivel. I don't NEED to exaggerate Vitali's worth to inflate it like you're doing... i keep it all on MERIT or it doesn't THE **** count..... kapish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Die Antwoord]

I laugh uncontrollably everytime one of these nostalgic dumbasses quote him. Holmes also said that the bums he was fighting in the early 90's would KO Ali...Holmes said he was the GOAt and he has said if it wasnt for getting caught on the ropes he woulda beat Tyson. Holmes also has dropkicked people off of a car...The guy is a moron.

Ali also is mentally ******ed. He has been most of his life. At first he was deemed too dumb for the army. He probably before the brain damage had a 78-80 IQ. Now dont get me wrong he is a high functioning ******, but he has no clue who hit harder or what the hell he's talking about. Believing anything fighters say about other fighters is just dumb to begin with, they all have different memories, motivations, and often just say whatever makes them sound better and their rivals sound worse.