Shaver's Punching Power Is Completely Overrated.

[Rassclot]

Son..you are all over the place... NOT DISCOUNTING the one punch artists here... just Not DISCOUNTING the ones that do it cumulatively as they get the chance to throw 3 or 4 SHOTS until there best punch lands & when that punch lands.. it garners the same results... If you have NEVER seen an Ernie Shavers highlight KO reel..i suggest you youtube it.. he's got about 60 knockouts & alot of them were with one shot bombs. The fact that you dismiss anyone as a hard puncher because his first punch didn't do the damage is why you keep on playing the fool here. I'm telling you it's both as in the end..the same results are derived from them & that is the knockout. You state Vitali KLITSCHKO IS THE HARDEST PUNCHER but fail to acknowledge his accumulative punching as the result of alot of his KO'S.. iF YOU're going to be a Vitali Klitschko fan.. at least keep the facts real & stop embarassing me with your drivel. I don't NEED to exaggerate Vitali's worth to inflate it like you're doing... i keep it all on MERIT or it doesn't THE **** count..... kapish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SHOW ME THE 1 PUNCH KO's. not KD's.

You were absolutely DISCOUNTING the 1 punch KO artists and that is why your logic is riidiculous. Your logic basically says someone that knocks down a fighter repeatedly has more KO power than someone that 1 shots someone.

Tua has 1 shotted way more fighters and he has some accumulation stoppages too while Shavers only has accumulation stopagges. He punches very accurately too and he hit Ali FLUSH and never dropped him. Ali was dropped by Henry Cooper, Joe Frazier and Chuck Wepner. And yes Ernie hit Ali flush on the chin. He also hit Holmes flush on the chin and couldn't put him away.

His power is overrated.

[The_Golden_Goy]

love earnie man, he could knock a ****ing elephant over.

he has a two houses in chesire by me and Ive seen him running up Calday Hill backwards

what a guy, dont disrespect earnie

[jimmy1569]

I laugh uncontrollably everytime one of these nostalgic dumbasses quote him. Holmes also said that the bums he was fighting in the early 90's would KO Ali...Holmes said he was the GOAt and he has said if it wasnt for getting caught on the ropes he woulda beat Tyson. Holmes also has dropkicked people off of a car...The guy is a moron.

Ali also is mentally ******ed. He has been most of his life. At first he was deemed too dumb for the army. He probably before the brain damage had a 78-80 IQ. Now dont get me wrong he is a high functioning ******, but he has no clue who hit harder or what the hell he's talking about. Believing anything fighters say about other fighters is just dumb to begin with, they all have different memories, motivations, and often just say whatever makes them sound better and their rivals sound worse.

You don't have to disrespect the greatest boxing entertainer of alltime to make your points....kapish!

[GF of Boxing]

What quality opponents did Vitali knocked out? Larry Donald TKO10, Danny Williams TKO8, Sam Peter RTD8, Corrie Sanders TKO8, Ross Purrity TKO11, Vaugn Bean TKO10, Juan Carlos Gomez TKO9, Chris Arreola RTD10, Albert Sosnowski KO10, Kevin Johnson UD, Timo Hoffmann UD, and Shannon Briggs UD. Shannon Briggs said that Vitali hits harder than Lewis and Foreman....hmmmm. For one I never believe a fighter what he says right after the bout. For one he is too emotional and he is just speaking on the now and his inner feelings. But didn't it just take Lennox 5 rounds to TKO Briggs. Vitali had 12 rounds of steady hitting Briggs with clean shots and eventuallt break Shannon's face but he couldn't stop him. To me if you want to judge real power of a fighter. My biggest test is can that fighter KO a quality opponent? You can pad your record with a bunch of stiffs, but what happens when you have quality in front of you? If you go to a decision or it takes a the fighter all day to stop the guy and the guy still does not go down. I start to question. With George Foreman he KO/TKO quality opponents. Earnie Shaver punching power is not overrated. When Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, Ken Norton, and Ron Lyle all stated that Earnie Shavers is the hardest puncher they ever faced. Now how are you going to question those legends. Think about who they been in the ring with. Ali- Liston, Williams, Frazier, Norton, Foreman, Lyle, Bonavena, and Chuvalo. Holmes-Norton, Cooney, Tyson, Mercer, Holyfield, and McCall. Norton-Foreman, Bobick, Cobb, and Cooney. Lyle-Bonavena, Foreman, and Cooney. Those four individuals have been in the ring with Shavers right along with the other heavy hitters they fought in their career and to them right along with the experts Shavers is the hardest puncher.

[Rassclot]

What quality opponents did Vitali knocked out? Larry Donald TKO10, Danny Williams TKO8, Sam Peter RTD8, Corrie Sanders TKO8, Ross Purrity TKO11, Vaugn Bean TKO10, Juan Carlos Gomez TKO9, Chris Arreola RTD10, Albert Sosnowski KO10, Kevin Johnson UD, Timo Hoffmann UD, and Shannon Briggs UD. Shannon Briggs said that Vitali hits harder than Lewis and Foreman....hmmmm. For one I never believe a fighter what he says right after the bout. For one he is too emotional and he is just speaking on the now and his inner feelings. But didn't it just take Lennox 5 rounds to TKO Briggs. Vitali had 12 rounds of steady hitting Briggs with clean shots and eventuallt break Shannon's face but he couldn't stop him. To me if you want to judge real power of a fighter. My biggest test is can that fighter KO a quality opponent? You can pad your record with a bunch of stiffs, but what happens when you have quality in front of you? If you go to a decision or it takes a the fighter all day to stop the guy and the guy still does not go down. I start to question. With George Foreman he KO/TKO quality opponents. Earnie Shaver punching power is not overrated. When Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, Ken Norton, and Ron Lyle all stated that Earnie Shavers is the hardest puncher they ever faced. Now how are you going to question those legends. Think about who they been in the ring with. Ali- Liston, Williams, Frazier, Norton, Foreman, Lyle, Bonavena, and Chuvalo. Holmes-Norton, Cooney, Tyson, Mercer, Holyfield, and McCall. Norton-Foreman, Bobick, Cobb, and Cooney. Lyle-Bonavena, Foreman, and Cooney. Those four individuals have been in the ring with Shavers right along with the other heavy hitters they fought in their career and to them right along with the experts Shavers is the hardest puncher.

what quality opposition has Ernie knocked out?

[jimmy1569]

SHOW ME THE 1 PUNCH KO's. not KD's.

You were absolutely DISCOUNTING the 1 punch KO artists and that is why your logic is riidiculous. Your logic basically says someone that knocks down a fighter repeatedly has more KO power than someone that 1 shots someone.

Tua has 1 shotted way more fighters and he has some accumulation stoppages too while Shavers only has accumulation stopagges. He punches very accurately too and he hit Ali FLUSH and never dropped him. Ali was dropped by Henry Cooper, Joe Frazier and Chuck Wepner. And yes Ernie hit Ali flush on the chin. He also hit Holmes flush on the chin and couldn't put him away.

His power is overrated.

No I wasn't.. i was questioning YOUR all or nothing thinking.. obviously if you knock someone out with one punch you have power... but that does NOT mean the ones who take a few punches more have less power. DUDE.. if you knockdown someone with one punch you have power even if that punch didn't result in the immediate end of the fight. Those 1 punch decapitating shots are NOT recurring themes.. some heavy hitters do it a few times like Tyson Lewis or Tua but the majority of there ko's 80-90% of them is NOT WITH one sleep inducing shot. You are generalizing..everyting has to come together.. also your opponents chin has something to do with the reaction to the punch.. You're just dismissing all of the intangibles & variables that go along with the knockout punch. You're automatically saying punch number one is harder than punch #5 or 6 BECAUSE of the immediate results of the first punch. All it is..is immediate gratification.. no proof at all that it's a harder punch than one that comes from a combination instead.

[studentofthegam]

I agree with TS. Shavers did hit hard, but he doesn't have any good 1 punch K.O's. Most were accumulation punches and finally a knock out blow. He fought a lot of bums too. I think vitali in his prime hit harder. I've seen vitali just tap people and their lights get completely shut off. Shavers had to wind up and drop 3+ bombs on his opponent head to stop them

Look at the division. You bring up Briggs like he's some great accomplishment standing there like a punching bag. What else can he say since he looked like Pizza the Hut after their fight.

Remember shavers lost to that bum Tex Cobb, couldnt put him away. Couldnt even put holmes away with his best shot. Vitali kills either of those guys.

Vitalis straight right will go down in history as one of the hardest punches in boxing. I cringe thinking what would happen if that 6'7 240 pound beast ever punched me.

Tex Cobb had one of the toughest chins in history. Those licks he took from Holmes are proof enough.

[flem1]

SHOW ME THE 1 PUNCH KO's. not KD's.

You were absolutely DISCOUNTING the 1 punch KO artists and that is why your logic is riidiculous. Your logic basically says someone that knocks down a fighter repeatedly has more KO power than someone that 1 shots someone.

Tua has 1 shotted way more fighters and he has some accumulation stoppages too while Shavers only has accumulation stopagges. He punches very accurately too and he hit Ali FLUSH and never dropped him. Ali was dropped by Henry Cooper, Joe Frazier and Chuck Wepner. And yes Ernie hit Ali flush on the chin. He also hit Holmes flush on the chin and couldn't put him away.

His power is overrated.

And you believe V Klit hits harder than Shavers? Show me a clip then... Vitali wins by accumulation of punches unlike Shavers who displays better stopping power...

Shavers lost to a prime Holmes.. Did you even read what Holmes said after the fight? He said he was out when Shavers hit him for the KD. He regained his senses after hitting his head on the floor.

Tua is also a great puncher but I think Shavers edges him in power. Hell, Tua couldn't even KO an out-of-shape journeyman in his last fight, the same guy who was stopped by Shannon Briggs in 2 rounds..

[jimmy1569]

What quality opponents did Vitali knocked out? Larry Donald TKO10, Danny Williams TKO8, Sam Peter RTD8, Corrie Sanders TKO8, Ross Purrity TKO11, Vaugn Bean TKO10, Juan Carlos Gomez TKO9, Chris Arreola RTD10, Albert Sosnowski KO10, Kevin Johnson UD, Timo Hoffmann UD, and Shannon Briggs UD. Shannon Briggs said that Vitali hits harder than Lewis and Foreman....hmmmm. For one I never believe a fighter what he says right after the bout. For one he is too emotional and he is just speaking on the now and his inner feelings. But didn't it just take Lennox 5 rounds to TKO Briggs. Vitali had 12 rounds of steady hitting Briggs with clean shots and eventuallt break Shannon's face but he couldn't stop him. To me if you want to judge real power of a fighter. My biggest test is can that fighter KO a quality opponent? You can pad your record with a bunch of stiffs, but what happens when you have quality in front of you? If you go to a decision or it takes a the fighter all day to stop the guy and the guy still does not go down. I start to question. With George Foreman he KO/TKO quality opponents. Earnie Shaver punching power is not overrated. When Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, Ken Norton, and Ron Lyle all stated that Earnie Shavers is the hardest puncher they ever faced. Now how are you going to question those legends. Think about who they been in the ring with. Ali- Liston, Williams, Frazier, Norton, Foreman, Lyle, Bonavena, and Chuvalo. Holmes-Norton, Cooney, Tyson, Mercer, Holyfield, and McCall. Norton-Foreman, Bobick, Cobb, and Cooney. Lyle-Bonavena, Foreman, and Cooney. Those four individuals have been in the ring with Shavers right along with the other heavy hitters they fought in their career and to them right along with the experts Shavers is the hardest puncher.

Dude..seriously... first you say don't take the word of Briggs.. but then go & take the word of others who stated the same thing about a said fighter. You know what all those fighters DON'T have in common? Their head wasn't being pummeled by Shavers.. so they'res is more likely to be opinionated. If you think Foreman & Lewis gave Briggs the beating of his life...then you're sorely mistaken... people think just because he went down against Lewis....He got more of a beatdown & Lewis automatically hit him harder.

How come Foreman didn't knock him down? Isn't he considered a harder puncher than Lewis? Why didn't Foreman send Briggs to the hospital after the fight.. did Briggs go to the hospital after Lewis knocked him down three times? Both of those fighters combined didn't hit him like Vitali did for every second of the fight. Briggs felt Vitali's punches all the way to his bones.

If Lewis was honest.. he'd ALSO admit Vitali was the hardest puncher he ever faced as Vitali always states & gives LEnnox his props as the strongest fighter he ever faced. You know why Lennox can't do what BRIGGS did & just be honest when you have your ass handed to him & let's be honest he was pompous when he got ktfo twice as well & also was making excuses.. it's his personality... he's a phony. He also knows in the second HOLY fight..he was getting his ass beat & escaped on amakeup call. If my memory serves me right..he was supposed to knock Holyfield the **** out & be the ultimate 'JUDGE'.. he did no such thing. Lewis' credibility is shady at best.

[Forza]

both wlad and vitali are bigger men with bigger punching power. It's easy to see. What was shavers anyways? 6'2 or 6'3 and 210 pounds? Thats a baby compared to the K bros. Now im not saying bigger means hitting harder, but both K bros have natural K.O power to go with their giant size.

This nostalgia bull**** needs to stop. I don't care what ali or holmes said 40 years ago, they never fought beasts like the K bros.