A Good Hard Look at the Three Amigos

[IronDanHamza]

I also want to start off with these dudes all being great fighters.

I think overall he performed better than those two vs Pac, he's shown just as much heart, and there's definitely a reason why MAB and EM completely ignored jmm over all those years.
He's the best LW in the world almost 20 years into a career.

He's never been decisively beaten in a fair fight, never once- and its not like he fought bums.

He has no Zahir Raheem, and MAB chose to get in most of his wars. That shouldn't be held against JMM

He performed better overall if you consider all of their fights Vs. Pacqiauo. But other factors are the reasons for that in my view. Marquez was much more game on both occasions that Morales and Barrera were when they got destroyed (except obviously Pac-Barrera 1)

However, Morales-Pac 1 I feel Morales performed much better than Marquez either time IMO. In that fight I had Morales a clear winner, close but clear. I struggle to find an argument for Pacqiauo beating Morales the first time. As opposed to Marquez, the first fight I scored a draw and the 2nd fight I felt he won but could have gone either way IMO and was much closer than Morales-Pac 1.

Yeah it's true he has never been decisively beaten. I felt John edged him, and Norwood? Meh. But even with this it still doesn't mean much to me considering I just feel Morales and Barrera's resume are much better than Marquez'. This could well be to the fact he was overlooked by many, for a long time due to being in the shadow of others, but that's just unfortunate on his part, unfortunately.

All this aside the main thing to me is for whatever the reasoning may be Marquez' resume just isn't as good as either Morales or Barrera.

And for that reason I have Morales and Barrera significantly greater than Marquez. Atleast in my book.

[BTL]

Greatness.

[Walt Liquor]

He performed better overall if you consider all of their fights Vs. Pacqiauo. But other factors are the reasons for that in my view. Marquez was much more game on both occasions that Morales and Barrera were when they got destroyed (except obviously Pac-Barrera 1)

However, Morales-Pac 1 I feel Morales performed much better than Marquez either time IMO. In that fight I had Morales a clear winner, close but clear. I struggle to find an argument for Pacqiauo beating Morales the first time. As opposed to Marquez, the first fight I scored a draw and the 2nd fight I felt he won but could have gone either way IMO and was much closer than Morales-Pac 1.

Yeah it's true he has never been decisively beaten. I felt John edged him, and Norwood? Meh. But even with this it still doesn't mean much to me considering I just feel Morales and Barrera's resume are much better than Marquez'. This could well be to the fact he was overlooked by many, for a long time due to being in the shadow of others, but that's just unfortunate on his part, unfortunately.

All this aside the main thing to me is for whatever the reasoning may be Marquez' resume just isn't as good as either Morales or Barrera.

And for that reason I have Morales and Barrera significantly greater than Marquez. Atleast in my book.

I had a draw pac-jmm 1 and pac by the kd in part 2 (one point)

An argument can be made also that JMM fought the most versatile and well rounded pac of everyone in his second fight as well. He was a better fighter after all that time with Freddy. Plus, pac left no doubt in the second 2 morales fights.

anyway, its a matter of opinion and an argument can really be made either way.

I agree that JMM doesn't have the resume of those guys because of the aforementioned reasons, but like I said in the Floyd-Morales resume thread, a better resume doesn't mean a greater fighter per se. I think this is another of those cases.

[Picazo]

1. Marquez
2. Morales
3. Barrera

This is what the history books will say.

[Las Vegas,]

Skill wise, Marquez is better than both of them.

Resume wise, you gotta give it to Barrera.

Legacy wise, you gotta give it to Morales.

All 3 of them are easily in the top 10 greatest Mexican fighters of all time.

[IronDanHamza]

I had a draw pac-jmm 1 and pac by the kd in part 2 (one point)

An argument can be made also that JMM fought the most versatile and well rounded pac of everyone in his second fight as well. He was a better fighter after all that time with Freddy. Plus, pac left no doubt in the second 2 morales fights.

anyway, its a matter of opinion and an argument can really be made either way.

I agree that JMM doesn't have the resume of those guys because of the aforementioned reasons, but like I said in the Floyd-Morales resume thread, a better resume doesn't mean a greater fighter per se. I think this is another of those cases.

Other things are to be considered, of course.

But for me resume is the key criteria for greatness.

But people have different criteria I guess.

[IronDanHamza]

Skill wise, Marquez is better than both of them.

Resume wise, you gotta give it to Barrera.

Legacy wise, you gotta give it to Morales.

All 3 of them are easily in the top 10 greatest Mexican fighters of all time.

Do you? I don't think it's a clear thing.

Morales has a better resume than Barrera IMO.

[Walt Liquor]

Other things are to be considered, of course.

But for me resume is the key criteria for greatness.

But people have different criteria I guess.

resume is key for me as well, however, there's exceptions to every rule.

kinda like floyd morales, morales has a greater resume than floyd i think

[Uturn]

Barrera and Morales have the better wins. JMM is still a great fighter though.

[IronDanHamza]

resume is key for me as well, however, there's exceptions to every rule.

kinda like floyd morales, morales has a greater resume than floyd i think

Yeah, I guess. We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this Morales-JMM-Barrera discussion. I just can't see it any other way.

I actaully think Mayweather has a better resume than Morales. I thought that was a given until I saw the thread

Morales has the better single wins though obviously.

But I understand what you're saying using this comparison.