Why is it that Cotto and Margarito get called warriors?

[IchiBonDj]

I can agree with a few of your points. However, please tell me where Cotto overcame adversity to win? His best win was Mosley, however, he ran during the championship rounds.

Watch Cotto vs Ricardo Torres or DeMarcus Corley.

[Pullcounter]

cotto and marg both fought pacquiao without OST.

wifebeater is a coward, the opposite of a warrior, for ducking pac.

[pacquia0]

[studentofthegam]

"warrior" doesn't mean winning multiple belts in multiple weight classes, it's reference is that of someone who displays tremendous heart, never backs down, takes on all challengers. A warrior. (see Erik Morales against Maidana).

Floyd doesn't get called a warrior because he's never showed that type of mentality in the ring. Granted he's never had to (which is why he's great in his own right), but he's never really had to face adversity in the ring and go toe to toe, nor has he recently been one take on all challenges (when he was younger he did).

Floyd was brutal at 130 and 135

Obviously it's cuz Floyd is black.

only partially

I don't call Mayweather "great" although I KNOW that good boxing requires one to hit and not be hit etc. My trainer used to say "don't take one to give one, but take none and give two". I always went into a fight with that intention, but as soon as the bell rang, I went after the guy. Admittedly I never had even a nosebleed in 62 fights, but that wasn't because I was an evasive fighter but because I was an ATTACKING fighter. And I was lucky.

But Mayweather actually has had at least TWO fights where he has had to pull out everything he knew, and get into the trenches to survive. One was against Emmanuel Augustus, a much underrated fight and fighter, which was neck-and-neck, give-and-take for the whole 9 rds it lasted, when Mayweather was fortunate to score with a body shot which had a bad effect. It's not for nothing that Mayweather, to this day says it was the hardest fight he has had.

Augustus at this point, had a record which was about 21-18 or something ridiculous like that. You guys should look it up on Youtube, it will be an education, and a puzzle as to how Augustus had such a bad record.

The other fight was against J.L. Castillo, again a much underrated fighter, which many, including myself, think Mayweather lost, or at very best, drew. The judges cards did not reflect the fight itself, which was Castillo pressure the whole way.

I can't even think of any other Mayweather fight that was even half worth while watching by comparison.

You have to enjoy him destroying people too.



Another episode in the glorification of punching bags.

[edgarg]

It has everything to do with being a warrior.

From 130 - 140 Floyd was more than capable to battle it out, and dish out as much as he was given. It's also when the majority state he was throwing combinations, and the more exciting fighter.

However, beyond that has become more defensive which I can understand, due to the fact it's more difficult to take a punch. Now I'm asking, how come Margarito and Cotto, are called warriors for taking on opponents equal in size? Yet, Floyd is not, when he's taking on opponents bigger than him. Isn't it slightly biased.

I'm sorry to disagree with you. It was during THAT period that he got-deservedly-the reputation for "stinking out the house" The Analysts and commentators would be talking about it whilst the fight was going on. ...."a typical Mayweather fight, stinking out the house...." and pointing out that people were leaving the almost empty arena in the middle of the fight. They also used to say that they he was the only fighter they knew who could fight so well, yet turn boxing fans away.

I heard this MYSELF more than once.

And there may be a few on this site who may remember these things being said.

ALL his opponents were CAREFULY picked so that Mayweather had a decided edge on them, and in those cases he could show himself to be "brave"......

this was all true, regardless of how well he could box, he had no following then. Or those who did follow him, were constantly disappointed at his less than interesting performance, even though he invariably won.

In a few cases, where his famous "brainstrust" had miscalculated a bit, he could have a tough time, and have to really FIGHT, I've already mentioned Augustus and Castillo. Chavez was another. And he was usually a taller, bigger guy in perfect shape. The only time I recall he was smaller was against Genaro Hernandez who, at that time was on his way out. Don't think he ever fought again. He was a sick guy, tall and skinny, 32 years old with over 40 fights......

Definitely NO WARRIOR.....not even close.

[BG_Knocc_Out]

The word warrior is derived from "war". How many wars have you seen Floyd in?

The lower weight classes are easier to jump because there are much more than there is in the larger weight class. from 100-150 lbs there is a weight class every 3-5 lbs. Not to mention physically the fighters within that range share similar physical attributes, allowing them to adjust in a new weight class much more comfortably. Floyd Mayweather fights at 147 while Nonito Donaire has been fighting around 114 up until recently, yet Floyd is only two inches taller but over 30 lbs heavier. The physical frames are pretty similar. On the other hand, take a Jr. Middleweight and compare him with a Light-Heavyweight and there will be a pretty big difference in body frame. So this argument that Floyd is a "warrior" because he went up weight classes, to me, is invalid. Warrior is not based on the size of your opponent, it's on how you fight him.

[pacquia0]

cotto and marg both fought pacquiao without OST.

wifebeater is a coward, the opposite of a warrior, for ducking pac.

[studentofthegam]

"warrior" doesn't mean winning multiple belts in multiple weight classes, it's reference is that of someone who displays tremendous heart, never backs down, takes on all challengers. A warrior. (see Erik Morales against Maidana).

Floyd doesn't get called a warrior because he's never showed that type of mentality in the ring. Granted he's never had to (which is why he's great in his own right), but he's never really had to face adversity in the ring and go toe to toe, nor has he recently been one take on all challenges (when he was younger he did).

Floyd was brutal at 130 and 135

Obviously it's cuz Floyd is black.

only partially

I don't call Mayweather "great" although I KNOW that good boxing requires one to hit and not be hit etc. My trainer used to say "don't take one to give one, but take none and give two". I always went into a fight with that intention, but as soon as the bell rang, I went after the guy. Admittedly I never had even a nosebleed in 62 fights, but that wasn't because I was an evasive fighter but because I was an ATTACKING fighter. And I was lucky.

But Mayweather actually has had at least TWO fights where he has had to pull out everything he knew, and get into the trenches to survive. One was against Emmanuel Augustus, a much underrated fight and fighter, which was neck-and-neck, give-and-take for the whole 9 rds it lasted, when Mayweather was fortunate to score with a body shot which had a bad effect. It's not for nothing that Mayweather, to this day says it was the hardest fight he has had.

Augustus at this point, had a record which was about 21-18 or something ridiculous like that. You guys should look it up on Youtube, it will be an education, and a puzzle as to how Augustus had such a bad record.

The other fight was against J.L. Castillo, again a much underrated fighter, which many, including myself, think Mayweather lost, or at very best, drew. The judges cards did not reflect the fight itself, which was Castillo pressure the whole way.

I can't even think of any other Mayweather fight that was even half worth while watching by comparison.

You have to enjoy him destroying people too.



Another episode in the glorification of punching bags.

[edgarg]

Exactly, they expect someone who's great enough not to get hit very often to allow himself to be hit in order to show "heart" or be cool in their eyes. **** is ridiculous

When will you guys understand the meaning of "warrior" in boxing terms. it doesn't mean deliberately taking punches so as to be termed a warrior, it's just the way the warriors fight and battle through all sorts of ring adversity, win or lose.

Mayweather has never been like that. You Mayweather guys must be "recent" Mayweather guys, because if you were around when he had, say, his first 25 fights or so(I'm guessing here) you'd see a genuine, shy, retiring, careful sort of boxer, who would only become a fighter when his Brain's Trust had miscalculated on his opponent.

[edgarg]

Floyd was brutal at 130 and 135

only partially

You have to enjoy him destroying people too.



Another episode in the glorification of punching bags.

Ni, Mayweather just didn't fight like that, unless he was forced into it. I don't recall him beating up any of the "punching bags" that he sometimes faced. He would show off his jab, his sneak right hand, his footwork, his confidence etc.

He fought VERY boring fights as far as fight fans then were concerned, and never drew a crowd. The commentators used to talk about it during the fight, how well he fought, but how few seats were filled, etc.

It was common knowledge, yet you never hear anyone mentioning it today, and he still is basically the same boxer.