Serious Question: Why did Pac ask Floyd to pay a 10 Million per pound weight penalty?

[Canelo Phresh]

The guaranteed purse for each fighter was 25 Million. So if that is the case, then Pac was doing Floyd a favor by just demanding for a 10 Million penalty seeing that the maximum he can ask is 25M

you can only be fined a maximum of 25% of the fighters purse and then its divied up between the fighter and the nsac so do your math is 10 milli 25% of 25 milli or is it more?

[megadeth]

so why are you bitching if you're so sure that floyd's gonna get there easy?

hell, i think floyd makes 147 no problem. so does floyd himself.

why can't you? think it over, you handicap ******

So why are so many Pac fans *****ing about the OST if you are so sure that PAc is gonna get there easy?

Hell, I think Pac passes the OST, so does Pac himself(I think)

So, if he's a handicapped ******, I guess he's not alone right?

[megadeth]

1. Not disagreeing with the first statement - But also don't think people should assume guilt based on contradictions... There are so many posts discrediting Pac's opposition and then state he's pulling off super human feats. Which is it?

How about a little of both? I don't know if he is on something or not. I hope he's not, but, regardless of the creative matchmaking, prime or lack of prime of fighters he has fought and limited speed and skills of some, Pac is still doing things that are pretty incredible. He was a smaller guy b4 not knocking out the many of the smaller fighters and now he is not much bigger and hurting and KO bigger guys. That is kinda fishy.

2. The reasons on why not take tests have been listed in multiple threads; whether or not they are legitimate reasons are irrellevent. Assuming guilt based circumstantial evidence is wrong no matter how you package it.

Of course its relevant. Even if we don't assume guilt, , Pac has been more su****ious than any other athlete I've ever seen. Why would u first agree to, then need to come up with 4-5 different reasons not to test and days you need in between drug testing and the fight? The fact that they originally said that they would take a drug test anytime and would do any kind of testing is definitely is very relevant. FMJ has every right to ask for things in the contract, just as Pac does. Its called a contract and if it was so offensive to them and they were so against it, then why agree in the first place? It doesnt pass the smell test.

3. Manny has a history of putting weight stipulations on a lot of his fighters. For some odd reason they all agreed to it. Floyd new it wasn't going to be an issue and it wasn't going to hinder is regular routine leading the to the fight. Extended weight penalties is not something the boxing community is pissed and we both know it.

Roach trains Pac right? He originally knew OST wasn't going to going to hinder Pac regular leading to the fight, otherwise, they wouldn't have said they agreed to it?

[megadeth]

1. I'm not telling anyone anything. I'm addressing your points as they are presented to me.

2. Some reasons are better than others, i can admit that. The fiasco may be su****ious, but are you even entertaining the thought that maybe the FMJ "Crusade to fairness" is just a smoke screen to avoid a very dangerous match up?

I am not sure of it, but didn't FMJ sign the contract and the only thing that was to be changed agreed upon was the OST? The second "negotiation", ok I can see most of the blame going to FMJ(I say some because he already said no to anything but full OST and they agreed to 7 or 14 days), but the first negotiations failure was all Pac. His team stated they agreed at first, then changed their mind. FMJ agreed to meet half way and Pac regused that too. So how can you even say suggest it was a smoke screen. If Pac signed the first time, we wouldn't even be talking about this subject.

13. Adding an extended penalty to coming in overweight when the opponent just cheated the fight before is hardly the same thing as falsely accusing someone of using PED's and attempting to rewrite the drug testing policy that has been set in place.

Uh uhh! Sounds like slander to me. Your suggestion that FMJ "cheated" is conjecture and speculation. Its not a stretch to think that a 32 yr old full WW who takes 2 yrs off might have problems making a weight 3lbs under his limit. Regardless, what u are saying is irrelevant anyway. The standard applied to Pac by some when they don't blamehim and his catchweight contracts, is the same standard you have to apply to FMJ. JMM signed the contract , he wasn't forced.

1Side Note: I want blood tests across the board, i want Manny to take the test so we can witness a great match up. But the FMJ package that you are presenting me is not what it is wrapped up to be... point blank

Point blank, I have no problem admitting that FMJ is full of it with that "fairness" crap. I do however believe that he thinks that Pac is on something and will accept the fight with full OST, like he did previously.

[V.WEBB]

You only see they hypocrisy on Manny's side yet you defend your fellow *****s and floyd's hyprocrisy and idiocy.

When ellerbe denied unequivocally floyd's usage of xylocaine, how come you people did not get su****ious with that?

Yeah, it does tell much about you too...

What's to get su****ious about? It wasn't a secret that he has used it, but please understand its legal to use, they just don't allow it during the week of the fight according to Keith Kizer. You want to make a point here?

1. I'm not telling anyone anything. I'm addressing your points as they are presented to me.

2. Some reasons are better than others, i can admit that. The fiasco may be su****ious, but are you even entertaining the thought that maybe the FMJ "Crusade to fairness" is just a smoke screen to avoid a very dangerous match up?

How is he trying to avoid a fight by asking for better testing? That makes no sense, especially considering that Manny and his team was with it, then tried to weasel their way around it. I mean, you think he would go through all that negotiating, and the mediation to save the fight, JUST to avoid the fight? Come on.

3. Adding an extended penalty to coming in overweight when the opponent just cheated the fight before is hardly the same thing as falsely accusing someone of using PED's and attempting to rewrite the drug testing policy that has been set in place.

You are clearly and I mean clearly missing the point here. There is already a testing policy in place by the commission AND there is ALSO already a policy in place for fighters that fail to make weight. Both Manny and Floyd were going above the commission with their requests. So why are you excusing one and not the other, when they are both doing the same thing -- going above what the commission already has in place. That is the clear point I'm making.

Side Note: I want blood tests across the board, i want Manny to take the test so we can witness a great match up. But the FMJ package that you are presenting me is not what it is wrapped up to be... point blank

Uh....what?

[cnote111]

Great now i have to respond to 2 of you...grrr.. lol

How about a little of both? I don't know if he is on something or not. I hope he's not, but, regardless of the creative matchmaking, prime or lack of prime of fighters he has fought and limited speed and skills of some, Pac is still doing things that are pretty incredible. He was a smaller guy b4 not knocking out the many of the smaller fighters and now he is not much bigger and hurting and KO bigger guys. That is kinda fishy.

At what point did Pac start using PED's then... What he did to Barrera looked a lot like what he did to Cotto and Margarito. What he did to Morales and Diaz was a lot like what he did to Hatton and DLH. JMM is Pac's ******nite and he is the only fighter that made Pac look a bit more human. But that was purely from a stylistic match up and JMM is a tough SOB. Pac is not pulling off any super human feats IMO - I think he is using his advantages (speed, stamina, 8oz gloves, and perfect style matchups) and breaking these fighters down.

Of course its relevant. Even if we don't assume guilt, , Pac has been more su****ious than any other athlete I've ever seen. Why would u first agree to, then need to come up with 4-5 different reasons not to test and days you need in between drug testing and the fight? The fact that they originally said that they would take a drug test anytime and would do any kind of testing is definitely is very relevant. FMJ has every right to ask for things in the contract, just as Pac does. Its called a contract and if it was so offensive to them and they were so against it, then why agree in the first place? It doesnt pass the smell test.

I don't mind this point you're trying to make... I would love to know the real reason why FMJ came up with this angle in the first place... Nobody knows the real reason, and we probably never will. IMO - I think FMJ got offended that Pac's camp basically called him a cheater with his weight, and he paid someone to do some research on Pac to find a crack in Pac's armor. He played this angle and it caught the Pac camp off guard. So Pac's camp fought back the best they could. I'm sure both sides had multiple spin doctors trying to fight back... This is politics at its finest.

Roach trains Pac right? He originally knew OST wasn't going to going to hinder Pac regular leading to the fight, otherwise, they wouldn't have said they agreed to it?

This point doesn't matter to me. If the OST was presented by athletic commision as a new policy they are trying to bring forth to the table and Pac turned it downed, then i would be much more leary... But when a loud mouthed blowhard like Floyd and Co. took this angle i honestly did not want Manny to take the test at all just to say FAWK YOU FLOYD! - Now i want him to take the test, just so we can have the fight..

[cnote111]

How is he trying to avoid a fight by asking for better testing? That makes no sense, especially considering that Manny and his team was with it, then tried to weasel their way around it. I mean, you think he would go through all that negotiating, and the mediation to save the fight, JUST to avoid the fight? Come on.

If you were a fighter that felt like maybe your opponent might get the best of you and you don't want to risk losing, because it will destroy your entire image. And you know there is just to much money to make on that image and yo can do it on a much less dangerous road. How would you go about it?
I would think you have to make it appear as if its the other guys' fault.. Its been done before.

You are clearly and I mean clearly missing the point here. There is already a testing policy in place by the commission AND there is ALSO already a policy in place for fighters that fail to make weight. Both Manny and Floyd were going above the commission with their requests. So why are you excusing one and not the other, when they are both doing the same thing -- going above what the commission already has in place. That is the clear point I'm making.

I will admit they are both alterations to the commissions rules;however, you are making very basic and general comparisons to two very different scaled situations. A g**** and a watermelon are both fruits, but the magnitude of difference is undeniable.

Your point is moot. FMJ proved he can play games at the scale in addition to paying the fine without blinking. Pac has asked for higher penalties before and other fighters have agreed, so there was no surprise there. Accusing a fighter of cheating on a much larger scale such as PED's without ANY just cause is reprehensable.

Uh....what?

My point was you are painting this pretty little picture of Floyd. We both know he is full of **** and could care less about anyone but himself.

[V.WEBB]

If you were a fighter that felt like maybe your opponent might get the best of you and you don't want to risk losing, because it will destroy your entire image. And you know there is just to much money to make on that image and yo can do it on a much less dangerous road. How would you go about it?
I would think you have to make it appear as if its the other guys' fault.. Its been done before.

So that's why Manny blamed Floyd for the fight not happening, huh? Thanks for the insight.

I will admit they are both alterations to the commissions rules;however, you are making very basic and general comparisons to two very different scaled situations. A g**** and a watermelon are both fruits, but the magnitude of difference is undeniable.

Glad you finally got the point. So I don't want to hear you talking about how Manny can go above the commission and Floyd can't. End of that discussion.

Your point is moot. FMJ proved he can play games at the scale in addition to paying the fine without blinking. Pac has asked for higher penalties before and other fighters have agreed, so there was no surprise there. Accusing a fighter of cheating on a much larger scale such as PED's without ANY just cause is reprehensable.

My point isn't moot. It still stands. And what was the fine that Floyd had to pay for going overweight against Marquez? It WASN'T anything close to 10 million dollars, ummmmm your point is moot. And why did Manny ask fighters for higher penalties when they have NEVER even missed weight? He needs to let the commission do their job (like he wants to say about other fighters).

My point was you are painting this pretty little picture of Floyd. We both know he is full of **** and could care less about anyone but himself.

Pretty little picture? All I've said is that the dude wants HIS fights to be clean. And don't you mean he COULDN'T care less about anyone but himself?

[cnote111]

So that's why Manny blamed Floyd for the fight not happening, huh? Thanks for the insight.

You know that wasn't my point... It's called spinning the situation to favor your agenda. Both camps are doing it... But you seem to think Manny is 100% to blame.. Doesn't that seem a bit naive?

Glad you finally got the point. So I don't want to hear you talking about how Manny can go above the commission and Floyd can't. End of that discussion.

Cute - Now you're being selective on what you want to acknowledge.

My point isn't moot. It still stands. And what was the fine that Floyd had to pay for going overweight against Marquez? It WASN'T anything close to 10 million dollars, ummmmm your point is moot. And why did Manny ask fighters for higher penalties when they have NEVER even missed weight? He needs to let the commission do their job (like he wants to say about other fighters).

No it doesn't, not at all... The fine Floyd paid on JMM was the exact reason why he didn't care to make weight... You being really thick headed hear... You don't want to admit anything negative towards Floyd at all.. If Pac didn't ask for the weight penalty and Floyd asked for the OST - I'm pretty confident you would still be taking a stand on how FMJ has every right to ask for a fair fight...

Pretty little picture? All I've said is that the dude wants HIS fights to be clean. And don't you mean he COULDN'T care less about anyone but himself?

If you noticed i made a typo and knew what i meant..Then no need to point it out... Secondly, FMJ wants his fights clean and wants to clean up the sport of boxing (his words)???? Come on man, you know damn well that has nothing to do with all this back and forth bull****... This OST crap is an angle, and without solid evidence and someone stepping forward to go on record about seeing him use PED's. Then it is speculation and deserves ZERO attention.

[RL_GMA]

Pretty little picture? All I've said is that the dude wants HIS fights to be clean. And don't you mean he COULDN'T care less about anyone but himself?

I think the bottom line is people are wondering what the premise is for his sudden wanting of OST's when he's never asked that of anyone. There's all this finger pointing at Pacquiao for not going along with the tests, but what some people fail to realize is Pacquiao himself can say "F**ck You" just as Floyd can make such a demand that he's never presented to any previous fighter (over stepping the State Commission). But what the Mayweather fans rely on is Floyd's word of "Cleaning the sport" (which in itself is obviously total bull****). Since Mayweather's demand of OSTs, Pacquiao's gone on to fight Clottey, Margarito, and now Mosley. NONE of these fighters asked for any sort of testing. Now the obvious rebuttal to that would be "Of course, they're getting paid more than they'd ever get paid anyway!". But doesn't that apply to Floyd as well? Will he NOT make the biggest purse in his entire career fighting Pacquiao?

At this point, if "tests" is all that it will take to get the fight going, let's do it. But truthfully, I don't think it's simply "tests" that are preventing this fight from happening, and deep down I know a lot of Mayweather fans are starting to see that (even from my own personal experience). But hey, keep fighting the fight.