We Need to Rethink G.O.A.T

[prinzemanspopa]

Great post. Tyson is better than Frazier in every possible way.

Speed,power,technique,durability,resume and accomplishments - it isn't even close.


Tyson was a once in a lifetime talent;Frazier popped up just at the right time and had a management to carefully guide his career so that fragile chin of his wasn't exposed earlier.


Frazier was knocked down more times in two rounds than Tyson was in his entire career.

[pacquia0]

Top 10 Heavyweights

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Marciano
4. Holmes
5. Foreman
6. Johnson
7. Holyfield
8. Lewis
9. Frazier
10. Dempsey

Nope, no Tyson.

Dempsey and Marciano are only on that list because of their skin colour.

[fitefanSHO]

I think Liston is top 10.

Post up a list.

[jimmy1569]

Yes we do.. NEED TO rethink the G.O.A.T status. He's the most dominant fighter in heavyweight history & would be the favorite against ANY fighter that's ever fought. He's bigger than everyone else..taller than anyone else.. has a foolproof style.. on the average 9 out of every 10 fights (Record) of his ends with a stoppage.....more than 9 out of every 10 rds (Record) of his is ruled in his favor... never been down in 209 rds...only 2 defeats when he was CLEARLY winning both fights & the event at the time of the unfortunate stoppages.

That's right..you know where i'm headed here 6ft 8 250 lbs of lean & mean Ukrainian machine.. Tyson..ALI.. cruiserweight Marciano & Louis/Lewis don't stand a chance.

Highest BER (boxer efficiency rating) of alltimes & that includes any weight division.

His name is VK & HIS GAME is to dominate... if he remains HEALTHY in a fight..you CAN forget about sniffing a W no matter who you are. Let me ask the haters..... i f you're the only one in heavyweight history that's never trailed on the scorecards & your worse showing on the cards is when you've won 2/3 of the bout & you've NEVER been knockedout... & your only losses were both injuries while winning 80% of those bouts.. can you honestly say there's a way to beat me without flinching. We're talking 44 fights here.. we're also talking a 3 time titlist.. same as Lewis Holyfield & Ali. I'm talking no one has EVEN COME CLOSE to outboxing him.. Every alltime top 100 heavy great has at least one time where they've either been knocked down/out or had a dubious scorecard decision or at the very least non unanimous..or trailed at the end of one of there bouts EXCEPT for Vitali Klitschko.. How come he's the ONLY one..is it because of his size..is it because of his competition..is it because of his skills..is it because of his strength.. it's probably a combination of all of those things... but he's NOT getting special treatment..he's fighting under the same roof..the same rules & regulations as everyone else before or after him.. PERHAPS just maybe.. he's REALLY that good.. what a concept that would be if it were true..right? Lastly...there's no steroids involved here so he's NOT doing something illegal that can enhance his performance>>> all natural!

[extracurRICular]

Just help me understand why..... I have these doubts in my head:

In a fantasy fight, will Ali really beat elite athleticism of Tyson/Lewis/Klitscho?

Did Ali really face much better opposition? I think Sugar Ray beat some serious beast.

When it comes to overcoming adversity, Ali conquers all.

GOAT????
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THATS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW.......

[fitefanSHO]

Dempsey and Marciano are only on that list because of their skin colour.

And just like that you become the first person on my IGNORE list.

Buh-bye!

[RubenSonny]

I know you love Ali but I just can't stand the man

That isn't why I don't think he's the greatest Heavyweight of all time, though.

He's a definitely at worst #2

And we're still boys, Rube

His resume is just so ridiculously complete, I've never even switched Ali from number 1, yeah we cool though akhi.

[pacquia0]

Yes, I am ******.

Why would I need to have Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson #1 and #2 just because they're ******? That's ridiculous.

I dislike Muhammad Ali as a boxer, this is BOXING. I don't know him as a person nor do I judge him as a person. I obviously have the utmost respect for him as far as his career goes. Other than that I know nothing about him.

Why do you dislike your ****** brothers?

Joe Louis openly praised the American government, yet your a fan of this guy over your own ****** borthers.

[IronDanHamza]

His resume is just so ridiculously complete, I've never even switched Ali from number 1, yeah we cool though akh.

His resume truley is astonishing. It's genuinely amazing.

I have no quarms with someone ranking Ali #1 at HW, he sure as hell did enough.

I personally have Louis #1 for his sheer dominance, something that will never, ever me matched IMO.

[etlux]

Yes we do.. NEED TO rethink the G.O.A.T status. He's the most dominant fighter in heavyweight history & would be the favorite against ANY fighter that's ever fought. He's bigger than everyone else..taller than anyone else.. has a foolproof style.. on the average 9 out of every 10 fights (Record) of his ends with a stoppage.....more than 9 out of every 10 rds (Record) of his is ruled in his favor... never been down in 209 rds...only 2 defeats when he was CLEARLY winning both fights & the event at the time of the unfortunate stoppages.

That's right..you know where i'm headed here 6ft 8 250 lbs of lean & mean Ukrainian machine.. Tyson..ALI.. cruiserweight Marciano & Louis/Lewis don't stand a chance.

Highest BER (boxer efficiency rating) of alltimes & that includes any weight division.

His name is VK & HIS GAME is to dominate... if he remains HEALTHY in a fight..you CAN forget about sniffing a W no matter who you are. Let me ask the haters..... i f you're the only one in heavyweight history that's never trailed on the scorecards & your worse showing on the cards is when you've won 2/3 of the bout & you've NEVER been knockedout... & your only losses were both injuries while winning 80% of those bouts.. can you honestly say there's a way to beat me without flinching. We're talking 44 fights here.. we're also talking a 3 time titlist.. same as Lewis Holyfield & Ali. I'm talking no one has EVEN COME CLOSE to outboxing him.. Every alltime top 100 heavy great has at least one time where they've either been knocked down/out or had a dubious scorecard decision or at the very least non unanimous..or trailed at the end of one of there bouts EXCEPT for Vitali Klitschko.. How come he's the ONLY one..is it because of his size..is it because of his competition..is it because of his skills..is it because of his strength.. it's probably a combination of all of those things... but he's NOT getting special treatment..he's fighting under the same roof..the same rules & regulations as everyone else before or after him.. PERHAPS just maybe.. he's REALLY that good.. what a concept that would be if it were true..right? Lastly...there's no steroids involved here so he's NOT doing something illegal that can enhance his performance>>> all natural!

great post