We Need to Rethink G.O.A.T

[studentofthegam]

Way easier. Don't even bring up Frazier, Tyson doesn't fight like Frazier.

A young Ali beats him like a drum.

Joe Louis.

I knew it before I read the response.

[Michael Hall]

Yes we do.. NEED TO rethink the G.O.A.T status. He's the most dominant fighter in heavyweight history & would be the favorite against ANY fighter that's ever fought. He's bigger than everyone else..taller than anyone else.. has a foolproof style.. on the average 9 out of every 10 fights (Record) of his ends with a stoppage.....more than 9 out of every 10 rds (Record) of his is ruled in his favor... never been down in 209 rds...only 2 defeats when he was CLEARLY winning both fights & the event at the time of the unfortunate stoppages.

That's right..you know where i'm headed here 6ft 8 250 lbs of lean & mean Ukrainian machine.. Tyson..ALI.. cruiserweight Marciano & Louis/Lewis don't stand a chance.

Highest BER (boxer efficiency rating) of alltimes & that includes any weight division.

His name is VK & HIS GAME is to dominate... if he remains HEALTHY in a fight..you CAN forget about sniffing a W no matter who you are. Let me ask the haters..... i f you're the only one in heavyweight history that's never trailed on the scorecards & your worse showing on the cards is when you've won 2/3 of the bout & you've NEVER been knockedout... & your only losses were both injuries while winning 80% of those bouts.. can you honestly say there's a way to beat me without flinching. We're talking 44 fights here.. we're also talking a 3 time titlist.. same as Lewis Holyfield & Ali. I'm talking no one has EVEN COME CLOSE to outboxing him.. Every alltime top 100 heavy great has at least one time where they've either been knocked down/out or had a dubious scorecard decision or at the very least non unanimous..or trailed at the end of one of there bouts EXCEPT for Vitali Klitschko.. How come he's the ONLY one..is it because of his size..is it because of his competition..is it because of his skills..is it because of his strength.. it's probably a combination of all of those things... but he's NOT getting special treatment..he's fighting under the same roof..the same rules & regulations as everyone else before or after him.. PERHAPS just maybe.. he's REALLY that good.. what a concept that would be if it were true..right? Lastly...there's no steroids involved here so he's NOT doing something illegal that can enhance his performance>>> all natural!

Over the hill Lennox Lewis beat him so I can only imagine what a prime Lennox would have done to him. Granted it was a close fight, but Lennox was old and past it. Yet he still ROCKED Klitshko to his core and cut his face up with his PUNCHES (not his head or anything else illegal).

It's not his opponents fault that Vitali can't stay healthy in some of his fights.

Vitali is one of the best but he's far from the best.

Lennox PROVED THAT...

[Michael Hall]

Also Corrie Sanders ROCKED and TAGGED Klitshko repeatedly in their fight. Swap Corrie Sanders with prime Tyson (lmao) on that night and Klitshko leaves the ring on his back.

[sdcluser]

Just help me understand why..... I have these doubts in my head:

In a fantasy fight, will Ali really beat elite athleticism of Tyson/Lewis/Klitscho?

Errrrr.....Fhuck YEAH. A PRIME Tyson and Lewis might be more problem than Klitschos.

[sdcluser]

Larry Holmes went on to not only give prime Holyfield and McCall tough fights at a very old age, but also would beat Ray Mercer more one sidedly than near prime Lennox Lewis. and of course old heavy Lewis beat Vitali, Holyfield deserved a win over a top 5 HW in todays division, etc etc


do you see why the 70s were such a great era for Heavyweights yet?

Just some addition. Ken Norton who got KTFO by Foreman had one helluva fight with Larry Holmes. Not to mention talents like Shavers who hit probably hit harder than Foreman. How about Jimmy Young and other talents like Ron Lyle. Vitali would NOT even be ****ing in top 5 in the 1970s.

[jimmy1569]

Over the hill Lennox Lewis beat him so I can only imagine what a prime Lennox would have done to him. Granted it was a close fight, but Lennox was old and past it. Yet he still ROCKED Klitshko to his core and cut his face up with his PUNCHES (not his head or anything else illegal).

It's not his opponents fault that Vitali can't stay healthy in some of his fights.

Vitali is one of the best but he's far from the best.

Lennox PROVED THAT...

The usual bs rebuttal about how an old past his prime Lewis beat an in prime Vitali. Why DO the haters feel like they have to justify to everyone that Lewis was out of shape & overweight & way past his expiration date if he did such a splendid job on Vitali? I'll tell you why....because they all know he got his a$ss kicked that night otherwise there would be no excuses as to lennox's condition & he would've still been at his best just like he was 12 months earlier with Tyson & the Rahman revenge fight... funny how with his next opponent he's 5 lbs over peak & nearing 40. Vitali broke his nose that night...his inner spirit.. resolve. Up until Vitali schooled him he thought he was the king of the heap.. he couldn't of ever imagined someone outboxing & manhandling him... roughing him up throughout the fight. If any one of you guys think that the script wouldn't be the same sans the cut...y'all are all out of your minds. This wasn't for 1 rd...it was 6 rds where Vitali was beating him to the punch. This would've happened with ANY version of Lennox..stick to the belief that it ONLY happened because of Lennox's condition.. No ONE OUTBOXES VITAli.... you could BE the HEAVYWEIGHT version of Mayweather/ Pacquiao & you won't be able to do it.. read my earlier posts as to why it can't be done.

[jimmy1569]

Also Corrie Sanders ROCKED and TAGGED Klitshko repeatedly in their fight. Swap Corrie Sanders with prime Tyson (lmao) on that night and Klitshko leaves the ring on his back.

I'm LMfao.... at this statement...the ONLY reason Vitali was tagged is because of Sanders exceptional speed & SOUTHpaw stance... Mike was fast when throwing his punches but he didn't use deception to set up his punches. Corrie lulls you to sleep... you think he's NOT doing anything & all of a sudden he pops out of nowhere like a sniper before you even have any time to think... watch any of his fights & see what i'm talkin' about... this guy had alltime great power/speed combination & from the southpaw stance..forgeddaboutit.

Mike would get rocked easier than Solis did trying to come in...let him try to come in... A SMALL powerful slugger vs a big powerful slugger loses badly EVERY time.... see Frazier vs Foreman & Tyson vs Lewis for reference..it's easy pickings. Smaller fighter has to lunge to try to bomb you out..while the bigger more powerful fighter can get to you much easier... I love how we automatically give the nods to all the former greats in a head to head when Vitali's is the one HOLDING all the cards....... seriously now. Vitali Klitschko has EVERYTHING... NO WEAKNESSES IN THE RING.... IF INJURIES ARE CLASSIFIED AS A WEAKNESS THEN YES MAYBE HE'S VULNERABLE bUT yOU CAN forget about finding anything in his boxing arsenal that would cause him to lose.

[sdcluser]

I love how we automatically give the nods to all the former greats in a head to head when Vitali's is the one HOLDING all the cards....... seriously now. Vitali Klitschko has EVERYTHING... NO WEAKNESSES IN THE RING....

Quoting from John McEnroe, "You cannot be ****ing serious."
AND you cannot be taken seriously.

[jimmy1569]

Quoting from John McEnroe, "You cannot be ****ing serious."
AND you cannot be taken seriously.

Quick...butterbean.... name his weaknesses in the ring....where's his glass jaw..where's his ring activity... where's the proper distance he keeps from his opponents..surely he can NOT punch at you from all kinds of angles..his jab is not worthy of mention..perhaps if you get inside as his infighting leaves alot to be desired...give me more of his weaknesses & i'll show you how serious i am. Michael Jordan was the least flawed basketball player of alltime & did everything well..his skillset was off the charts......look him up for reference when an athlete has NO DICCONCERNIBLE way of getting beat.

[The Noose]

I rate Vlad and Vitali very highly. But Ali beats them both.

I believe both the Klits would have been top heavyweights in any era. Not the best, but top 5.