Comments Thread For: Haye: I'll Give Wladimir Violent Flashbacks of Sanders!

[Ravens Fan]

When did I hear this before? Oh that's right Haye has been telling everyone and anyone that will listen to him what he was going to do at heavyweight and all of it has been nothing more then a hype job. What I see in Haye's future is that he will come out fast and gas when he is winging his wide power shots while Wlad impales him with his jab. Or Haye may try to run and do sneak attacks and realize wow this ain't Valuev, while again Wlad impales him with his jab. And all these Haye fans believe it is Wlad who has something prove when I believe it is the other way around. Simply because Wlad is a known commodity at heavyweight and Haye has proved little to nothing in the division. And he is the one that has everything to prove. I see this fight as an easier then expected win for Wlad "The Impaler".

[Clint650]

starting to think Haye is going to win a UD by sticking and moving and never going for the knockout unless he stuns Wlad a bit but if not i think his plan is to go 12.

[jimmy1569]

This dude is unsure of himself... talking about blasting Wlad away but then states it's going to be a difficult task to beat him. Deep down he knows that he's just talking big to psyche himself up & really is unsure of himself. He's never fought anyone like Klitschko before & will see the difference in class. He's going to be on his bicycle & it's going to be Wlad that chases himaround the ring. Wlad is pretty good at cutting off the ring & will stick the pole jab in his face. They'll both be timid but it's Wlad that will have the advantage with his jab. David will look to counter most of the night..first strong punch Wlad lands will put him down.. the only question is if Wlad lets his hands go..Haye relies on his speed & footwork to defend while Wlad uses his jab & will hold you if you get too close to him. Should be a great one & we'll really find out who's scared of who by how they fight early on. Could be they'll both be scared ****less of each other.

[jimmy1569]

Vitali would just stalk David until he catches him. Haye can't do what he did with Valuev vs the Klischkos as they are way faster & more accurate in landing there shots. Haye is not some sort of defensive wizard...he's just fast on his feet... Solis.. more relies on actually blocking your shots & is fast when letting his hands go. They are not defensive guys in the mode of Kevin Johnson... Chris Byrd or James Toney as those guys actually made you miss & relied on timing... reflexes & upper body movement.

Haye can get hit & we saw how Solis can as well.. YoU'vE GOT TO HAVE SIZE.. POWER & EXceptional speed to compete with them. 4 OF THERE 5 losses were due to injuries & gassing out... They've shored up that aspect of there games... So blitzing them by countering after they miss is your only shot like Corrie Sanders did in 2 rds... You're NOT outboxing them no matter what you do so forget about ANY boxing decisions.

These Klitschko's rarely even lose 2 rds in a fight.. Sanders is THE ONLY FIGHTER to be ahead of them on the scorecards at the end of a Klitschko fight & we're talking 102 fights here.. The only real shot you have is KNOCKING them out early because chances are NOT good that you'll be fresh enough to do so in the mid to late rds when they're getting ready to stop you.

If you're counting on cuts ..shoulder injuries & gassing out after throwing the kitchen sink at there opponents.. you'll be counting wrong as that's already happened to them twice apiece & is highly unlikely to happen again a.. firstly as Wlad's style is much more measured under Steward & he paces himself while cutting Vitali to get your W & HAVING HIS SHOULDER come out of it's socket only happens once in a lifetime... then again The Sanders outcome is ALSO a onetime occurence.. You're probably **** out of luck... 97-5 = 95.1% winning percentage for the Klitschko's... so it's really 19.4 to 1 odds against you to defeat them... 4.9% is the REAL chance you have.

[jimmy1569]

Oh.... the odds of getting a legitimate proud to have it on your ledger W without asterisks over them is 101-1.... i think that's more impressive than 49-0 if i say so myself.

[Pirao]

Nope, Wlad will give you violent flashbacks of Thompson. Well actually you won't have flashbacks since you'll be out cold.

[TheFairPole]

I dont see Haye having to much trouble landing on wlad or vitali.

His speed is far better than theres,and a lot sharper than what theyve gotten used to.

Just see how easy solis landed on vitali recently!.

Wlad will get hit early on,and buzzed with the first few punches,he wont see them coming,and he may try clinch but will not be able to do any usual clinches and be punished for trying to do so with several fast stinging punches from haye that will floor wlad.

Haye will probably come in as light as possible and just be so slippery and fast that either klitschko wont be able to stop him hitting them with fast hard 2-3 punch combos all night long.

haye will keep safe range,stop their jabs,move around to angles,buz in drop the bombs and then get out of harms way and repeat until both are busted upp,down on the floor or knocked spark out.

...And then you woke up...

[Tiozzo]

Most people don't fight him like a scared anythings when they first come out - they are usually pumped and ready to go in round 1; but then they find they simply can't get past that jab, they get discouraged, and they go into survival mode. That's what happened to Chambers, Peter II, Chagaev. and many others. And Wlad fights tall now which he didn't in the Sanders days, which makes him far harder to hit cleanly; and his jab and timing and ability to judge distance have all improved dramatically since then.

As for Haye being offensive, he says he plans to be, but the only tall opponent he has faced so far, he was on his bike for 12 rounds. And he showed zero ability to avoid a decent jab against Ruiz, which makes it hard for me to see how he'll magically develop that skill in time for this fight.

I agree that if Wlad's chin does get hit hard, things will get very interesting. I'm not convinced that Wlad would react as badly now as he did against Sanders - he's matured since then, and Khan demonstrated recently that chins can improve - but I agree that it'll be interesting to find out. But I don't see Haye as having much chance of landing anything clean enough to allow us to find out.

One interesting factor though is that Haye simply can't go into survival mode like Wlad's opponents usually do when they find they can't get past the jab, because he's talked too much shit and would look too ****** if he does. His pride will force him to keep trying to land something big, which should prevent the fight from ever getting boring. But I think he'll be jabbed to death for 8-9 rounds, a bit like Tua vs. Lewis, except he'll try much harder than Tua, and be hurt much more; and then he'll get knocked out.

the tough thing is not to get past that jab, which is pretty easy to do in fact

it is to get past the clinch that awaits you once you get inside on Wlad

Chagaev, as can be seen in the video, didn't try hard enough, didn't put the pressure like a Brewster or a Sanders did

he was a sitting duck for most of the round, trying a shy jab to the middle section when he should have been getting inside and hooking to the head

he got inside twice in the first round and couldn't capitalize, as Wlad held him like he's done his whole career

Chambers now



again, as can be seen in the video, you are wrong, Chambers didn't come out aggressive, he came out on the back foot, moving and boxing, utilizing his jab, avoiding exchanges


Peter II cam eout pretty aggressive (still not enough for my taste), and we can see how much it bothers Wlad



Wlad was keeping his left glove in Peter's face, which is illegal and called measuring, being the coward he really is, while Peter was having a bit of success early on, bobbing and punching, so Wlad clinched whenever he felt was necessary



I find it amusing how much people are focusing on a couple of jabs Ruiz managed to land on HayeI

Haye dodged most of the incoming shots, Ruiz landed a couple of ineffective jabs, so what ? people just exaggerate with that ''Ruiz landed his jab at will'', horrible exaggeration

I'm very confident Wlad hasn't gotten better in the panic mode area : if he gets hit and hurt, he doesn't know how to respond aside of clinching or trying to throw the kitchen sink at his opponent

I agree with the part about Haye, he's been talking too much not to give it his best shot, so we should have a good treat, a good fight

may the best man win

[Uturn]

Let's hope you go in there with bad inentions Haye. No f*ucking clowning around, 3 rounds and this should be over.

[Davros?]

It will be interesting to see how Wlad deals with Haye's movement and how Haye deals with Wlad's jab.

Wlad's strategy is fairly obvious, he will work that left jab trying to keep Haye at range and then throw the right hand when ever he gets the chance, when Haye gets inside he will clinch him so Haye can’t work on the inside.

Haye could try several different strategy’s, I would get Haye to keep turning Wlad so he cant get his feet set to throw the jab, if Haye could take Wlad's jab away then the rest of Wlads work would be taken away as well everything he does comes off the jab. Haye would then come in with quick flurry of punches and then get out of there and move to the side trying to turn Wlad again. Haye should not sit infront of Wlad trying to slip the jab like Chageav was doing or he will get worn down by it and possibly knocked out.

The first 3 rounds of this fight will be crucial to the outcome imo.

This thread is funny though some people take this to serious.