Comments Thread For: Haye: I'll Give Wladimir Violent Flashbacks of Sanders!

[Jim Jeffries]

One poster on that site kept going on about that Brewster should have been counted out against Wlad in the 4th round of the first fight, but Robert "Uncle" Byrd deliberately counted slow because he is related to him. That is, Brewster and Byrd really are cousins, so they figured the ref was related.

First I've heard that one, lol.

My only problem with the Brewster fight is that Lamon did hit him after the bell with a solid left hook. Just barely, but clearly after the bell. While he shouldn't have been penalized, I'd like to have seen Wlad get a minute to recover, especially since he beat the count.

[Tiozzo]

If it's not about trolling, why do you keep pretending that the Sanders fight has any relevance to the Haye fight? It's no more relevant than Lewis's loss to McCall was when Lewis was about to face Holyfield, and no more relevant than Pac's loss to Singsurat was when Pac was about to face Cotto - and for that matter it's no more relevant than Haye's loss to Carl Thompson is now.

In all those defeats, the winner won fair and square, but Haye, Wlad and Pac all improved dramatically after those losses, and completely reinvented their styles under new trainers.

here is the relevance : Sanders didn't fight Wlad like a scared bitsh like most people do, and since that Haye talks so mch about scoring a KO and how Sanders whipped Wlad, it probably means he is offensive minded, and you got to be that to beat Wlad, it is the right mind set : get to that chin and knock him out

staying outside wating for opportunites is suicide, Haye doesn't have the reack and the height to try to box Wlad

Sanders was cautious at first, but as soon as he caught Wlad with that left hand, it was killer instinct all the way, and Wlad was helpless

Haye is nothing like Sanders, it is not my point, never was, he is a very different fighter, but I like the fact that Haye acknowledges how Sanders handled the bully, and acknowledges that you have to tame the bully by bullying him

Wlad can't handle the pressure, fact

[Derranged]

First I've heard that one, lol.

My only problem with the Brewster fight is that Lamon did hit him after the bell with a solid left hook. Just barely, but clearly after the bell. While he shouldn't have been penalized, I'd like to have seen Wlad get a minute to recover, especially since he beat the count.

I didn't catch that. But I don't think one minute would have done it for Wlad. To be honest he didn't even look that hurt, he looked SICK, I don't know what the hell was wrong with him that night. I don't think he was poisoned, but something wasn't right.

[edgarg]

Sanders is well known for his Mean Left hand..I guess he just had to Uncork his unknown Headbutt for this fight cause he was having so much difficulty land His left..His first big left he landed and no Sanders head for miles around..It was a desperate clench seeking Wlad that brought the heads in close proximity..And Sanders did what your supposed to do when fighting a taller opponent..You bring your chin into you chest and let the opponent deal with the hardest part of the head.. There is no foul style head butt hear just good defensive inside technique..You don't want a shorter guys noggin bouncing up in your face don't go around looking for a hug..Really it's one of the only ways a shorter guy can discourage a taller opponent from clenching and laying weight on you..I highly recommend Haye adopt it..

As you know I didn't imply that Sanders deliberately fouled Klitschko. On the contrary. There was a serious collision.

I just had another look at the video on Youtube, and although Sanders DID throw a few lefts and rights (I was wrong there) before the KD, they were harmless, just brisked up the action a bit. You could see that Klitschko was surprised by it.

What I DID see, especially on the Slo-mo after the round, was that Sanders head thumped Klitschko's jaw twice BEFORE the KD, and it was the second butt that put him down. You can see Klitschko's head bouncing and giving way from it and he falls away down. I'd always thought it was the first butt. The second KD was a clean KD with no butts, just before rd end.

It all happened so fast that in the normal video it all looks as if it happened together but the Slo-mo clarifies it. The Youtube tape is very good and clear. and very slow. And I recall, to make sure, after the fight, I replayed the Video slo-mo adding my own video player slo-mo, to make sure what I saw. So that was even clearer.

That's what I still see.

[Tiozzo]

One poster on that site kept going on about that Brewster should have been counted out against Wlad in the 4th round of the first fight, but Robert "Uncle" Byrd deliberately counted slow because he is related to him. That is, Brewster and Byrd really are cousins, so they figured the ref was related.

I've read similar stuff here believe it or not

all sort of conspiracy theories, ridiculous and irrational, just like this one

[Jim Jeffries]

I didn't catch that. But I don't think one minute would have done it for Wlad. To be honest he didn't even look that hurt, he looked SICK, I don't know what the hell was wrong with him that night. I don't think he was poisoned, but something wasn't right.

Probably not. It's like I think Foreman beat the count against Ali (just barely,) but it wouldn't have made a difference had the ref let him continue. George couldn't lift his gloves. Wlad might've gotten his equilibrium back after that minute, but he was too tired to take out Brewster, and he wasn't lasting 7 more rounds.

[Derranged]

I've read similar stuff here believe it or not

all sort of conspiracy theories, ridiculous and irrational, just like this one

Chris Byrd and Lamon Brewster are actually cousins though.

[Dave Rado]

here is the relevance : Sanders didn't fight Wlad like a scared bitsh like most people do, and since that Haye talks so mch about scoring a KO and how Sanders whipped Wlad, it probably means he is offensive minded, and you got to be that to beat Wlad, it is the right mind set : get to that chin and knock him out

staying outside wating for opportunites is suicide, Haye doesn't have the reack and the height to try to box Wlad

Sanders was cautious at first, but as soon as he caught Wlad with that left hand, it was killer instinct all the way, and Wlad was helpless

Haye is nothing like Sanders, it is not my point, never was, he is a very different fighter, but I like the fact that Haye acknowledges how Sanders handled the bully, and acknowledges that you have to tame the bully by bullying him

Wlad can't handle the pressure, fact

Most people don't fight him like a scared anythings when they first come out - they are usually pumped and ready to go in round 1; but then they find they simply can't get past that jab, they get discouraged, and they go into survival mode. That's what happened to Chambers, Peter II, Chagaev. and many others. And Wlad fights tall now which he didn't in the Sanders days, which makes him far harder to hit cleanly; and his jab and timing and ability to judge distance have all improved dramatically since then.

As for Haye being offensive, he says he plans to be, but the only tall opponent he has faced so far, he was on his bike for 12 rounds. And he showed zero ability to avoid a decent jab against Ruiz, which makes it hard for me to see how he'll magically develop that skill in time for this fight.

I agree that if Wlad's chin does get hit hard, things will get very interesting. I'm not convinced that Wlad would react as badly now as he did against Sanders - he's matured since then, and Khan demonstrated recently that chins can improve - but I agree that it'll be interesting to find out. But I don't see Haye as having much chance of landing anything clean enough to allow us to find out.

One interesting factor though is that Haye simply can't go into survival mode like Wlad's opponents usually do when they find they can't get past the jab, because he's talked too much shit and would look too ****** if he does. His pride will force him to keep trying to land something big, which should prevent the fight from ever getting boring. But I think he'll be jabbed to death for 8-9 rounds, a bit like Tua vs. Lewis, except he'll try much harder than Tua, and be hurt much more; and then he'll get knocked out.

[Money Shot]

Most people don't fight him like a scared anythings when they first come out - they are usually pumped and ready to go in round 1; but then they find they simply can't get past that jab, they get discouraged, and they go into survival mode. That's what happened to Chambers, Peter II, Chagaev. and many others. And Wlad fights tall now which he didn't in the Sanders days, which makes him far harder to hit cleanly; and his jab and timing and ability to judge distance have all improved dramatically since then.

As for Haye being offensive, he says he plans to be, but the only tall opponent he has faced so far, he was on his bike for 12 rounds. And he showed zero ability to avoid a decent jab against Ruiz, which makes it hard for me to see how he'll magically develop that skill in time for this fight.

I agree that if Wlad's chin gets does hit hard, things will get very interesting. I'm not convinced that Wlad would react as badly now as he did against Sanders - he's matured since then, and Khan demonstrated recently that chins can improve - but I agree that it'll be interesting to find out. But I don't see Haye as having much chance of landing anything clean enough to allow us to find out.

One interesting factor though is that Haye simply can't go into survival mode like Wlad's opponents usually do when they find they can't get past the jab, because he's talked too much shit and would look too ****** if he does. His pride will force him to keep trying to land something big, which should prevent the fight from ever getting boring. But I think he'll be jabbed to death for 8-9 rounds, a bit like Tua vs. Lewis, and then knocked out.

Interestingly, Tua Lewis was a very dull fight that nothing much happened in except Lewis's jab finding Tua. I suspect Steward will have Wlad schooled to repeat that, although I doubt Haye will last twelve rounds like Tua did. I think Wlad's jab is slightly better than Lewis's, more rapid and hurtful, plus Haye's chin is not as good as Tua's.

[Forza]

I honestly think this fight wont see round 5. Its easy to talk and box a few cruiserweights, but once you feel that klitschko power its bed time for babys