Comments Thread For: Haye: I'll Give Wladimir Violent Flashbacks of Sanders!

[Dave Rado]

The name of the game isn't holding, it's boxing

It's part of boxing, whether you like it or not. Ali didn't use it as much as Wlad, but he used it a hell of a lot. Lewis did use it as much as Wlad. Hopkins uses it far more than Wlad, he probably uses it it more than anyone else ever has, and he frequently uses hitting and holding as an intentional tactic as well, not to mention feigning low blows. Jack Johnson used it more than Wlad, and is regularly ranked around #3 in the ATG Heavyweight lists.

Ali used the "measuring jab" tactic far more than Wlad does. So did Holmes.

A large majority of the ATGs have regularly used some illegal tactic or other. Duran was one of the dirtiest fighters of all time. You're sound unbelievably prissy sometimes when complaining about Wlad.

you should watch the stare down in the middle of the ring again, and then you can come back and tell me Chambers wasn't scared

I did and he wasn't.

[hweightblogger]

wake up dude, I'm not the one who has said several headbutts occured, so I have nothing to prove

as for the vids I have posted, theyre relevant anyway since that in all of them minus one, their heads don't even come close, so there are no headbutts possible

YOU AND EDGARG, ON THE OTHER HAND, HAVE SOMETHING TO PROVE, YOU HAVE TO POST EVIDENCE AND SLOW-MO VIDEOS TO PROVE YOUR POINT

We don't have to prove anything, stop watching c-r-a-p-p-y gifs and watch the fight. The headbutts are CLEARLY visible including the cruicial anvil of which Wlad never recovered.

What is this nonsense ("Prove it! Prove it! Post evidence!"), the evidence is the high quality close-up slomo of the knockdown, not some 12fps gifs. Just this short sequence that your gif features contains 2-3 headbutts which are not visible in your gif because it has such a cr*ppy quality AND is fast forward AND is tiny.

[hweightblogger]

of course it's part of it, I have no problem with a fighter who uses it sometimes, but when holding is part of your arsenal like Wlad, this is boring and disgusting AND ILLEGAL

Clinching is not illegal.

Wlad is worst than Ali in that category

Nobody is worse than Ali ("Dirt Clay"). Clay's disgusting ring behavior (arm holding, neck grabbing, head-down-pushing, insulting) isn't even CLOSE to anything Wlad has ever done.

Additionally Clay holds 2-3 times as much per fight than Wlad did in his clinchiest fight (vs Peter I).

Let me also add that Wlad's clinching is merely a small fraction of his arsenal whereas Clay's holding was a major strategy due to Clay's lack of punching power and lack of reflexes. Clay's only chance was holding/neck-grabbing or running away ("floating").

I mean common, a man his size fighting like that, it's unbelievable cowardice, he is a bully, and when things aren't going his way, he crumbles, his weak heart falls apart, splashes on the mat

Welcome to the fantasy world of Colonel Sandman.

you should watch the stare down in the middle of the ring again, and then you can come back and tell me Chambers wasn't scared

He wasn't. Stop fabulating. Actually it was Sanders who looked scared.

[Boxing Scene]

starting to think Haye is going to win a UD by sticking and moving and never going for the knockout unless he stuns Wlad a bit but if not i think his plan is to go 12.

No one beats Wlad by UD. If he wins it has to be by knockout. I think pretty much everyone will tell you that.

[Dave Rado]

Clinching is not illegal.

Holding is. Clinching is when a fighter is hurt and clinches in order to clear his head. That is legal. Holding is when a fighter is not hurt but ties his opponent up in order to prevent him from fighting. That is illegal. That said, it is rarely penalised except when the referee judges that an excessive amount of it is going on.