Bernard Hopkins was robbed in the Calzaghe fight ....Proof inside.

[Spray_resistant]

watch the videos posted

I have already watched the fight in real time unedited, I don't need to watch Cowardzaghe's or whoever posted this vid.

[Spray_resistant]

Theres also a large percetage of people that Mike Tyson was robbed of a KO in tha Buster Douglas fight.......But fact us he got the same amount of time to get as Tyson did....

No there isn't........way to make things up though

[The Noose]

Those are the rules. Not sure why you are so hesitant to embrace the actual scoring criteria.


Also why is it horrible? it's the art of boxing. Making a guy try to hit you, hitting him and making him miss. That's classic boxing.

Ali used to do this. The difference is in this fighter Hopkins was doing it at a MUCH LOWER output than the classic boxer may have and a lot of his shots were very sneaky and hard to see until you slow the film down. But it's still smart boxing and essentially toying with you opponent.

Aggression and moving forward means nothing if you can't do anything with it. Forcing the fight, moving forward and being the agressor are a good way to get humliated by an outside classic boxer counterpuncher. this is something every good boxing gym teaches and it's boxing 101.

That's not to say doing those three things is bad. Moving forward,forcing the fight and being the aggressor works but you have to DO something with it:

Glen Johnson vs. Roy jones for example.

But forget KO's it can be done even in decisions:

Ward vs. Gatti 1.


There is a problem with a lot of Joe's fans (and modern fans): this idea that agression mean anything. not only does it not mean anything in a scoring sense but even in context of a fight just being agressive alone could get you beat up if you don't DO SOMETHING WITH IT.

This is where the criteria of EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION comes in. That covers the category in question (pushing the fight, controlling pace, being aggressive, moving forward). But it has to be effective : aka landing clean punches OR causing psychological damage that causes the other guy to lower his punch output SO HE NO LONGER LANDS ANYTHING.

I do think its a horrible way to win a fight if a fighter is literally landing one punch per round, whilst moving backwards and clinching.
I would down grade a fighter who was using such tactics.

But im aware those arent the official scoring criteria meant to be used by the judges.

[Spray_resistant]

it was the same fight. maybe calzaghe made it look closer than hatton but it was the same fight from a scoring criteria perspective.

enzo told joe he needed a knockout to win between rounds 11 and 12.

calzaghe paced around the ring with his head down before the decision was read

after the decision was read "i kicked hopkins ass!"

I don't think anyone would go that far but I like most ppl think he deserved the nod.

[Jack Napier]

Still doesn't change the fact that the robber is the one in the wrong and not the one that got robbed. Logic is lost on some people

no it's not, you are 100% correct
the thieves are still criminals
but the "victim" in that scenario deserves absolutely no sympathy
bad things happen when you do dumb shit

[King Ghidorah]

No there isn't........way to make things up though

How am I making things up? Its a fact.....

I have already watched the fight in real time unedited, I don't need to watch Cowardzaghe's or whoever posted this vid.

BruceBlitz.......You need to look him up on youtube....

[daggum]

I do think its a horrible way to win a fight if a fighter is literally landing one punch per round, whilst moving backwards and clinching.
I would down grade a fighter who was using such tactics.

But im aware those arent the official scoring criteria meant to be used by the judges.

are you saying hopkins literally landed 1 punch cause that's just flat out wrong. there is no mythical standard of how many punches you need to land to win a round. all you have to do is be better than your opponent and hopkins was.

you could say calzaghe literally landed 1 punch in a couple rounds because i counted and he literally landed 1 clean punch in some of the rounds. go and look at the replays. of course some of the judges gave him these rounds anyway even when hopkins outlanded him by a huge margin but meh who cares.

[Lead Cenobite]

I don't think anyone would go that far but I like most ppl think he deserved the nod.

What are you afraid of? It's not Cowardzaghes video. He just takes the fight and does slow motion on all of hopkins AND joe's connects.

The slow motion is very helpful. Just stop being scared and watch it. If you don't agree with it fine but it's very damning slow motion visual evidence.

[Lead Cenobite]

I do think its a horrible way to win a fight if a fighter is literally landing one punch per round, whilst moving backwards and clinching.
I would down grade a fighter who was using such tactics.

But im aware those arent the official scoring criteria meant to be used by the judges.

But this falls under an asthetic and entertainment value. Which as you stated has nothign to do with who won the fight.

The better question is: the guy who is landing one punch per round, going backword and clinching....why can't the other guy HIT HIM MORE THAN ONCE PER ROUND?

Just a thought.

[King Ghidorah]

No there isn't........way to make things up though