Pac/Marquez weight issues. 140/147lb

[Khalid X]

thats just make believe crap.

fact is: Pacquiao is currently a Welterweight. If he really is Marquez's size, then go ****ing fight at 135lbs, or at least 140lbs, and not force Marquez to balloon up 12lbs.

a Welterweight version of Marquez is nothing special. he has done NOTHING at WW. he hasnt even won a round at WW. and as much as people like to sugar coat it, that is the version of Marquez that Pacquiao would be fighting.

Why would Manny go to 135, when all the money fights are at 147?

I mean lets say he goes to 135. Who is he gonna face, Antonio Demarco, Brandon Rios, or Humberto Soto?


And yes, Pacquiao could make 135 but why would he do something like that during this point in his career?

[tomhawq]

much ado about nothing. both will come in at their comfortable weight, anyway, which is less than 147. it's not like they have vast height difference. peeps are phukking ******. you are the challenger, then fight the champ at his weight. you have like months to prepare for the fight. start it now. fans have become sissies these days as if they have boxed all their lives.

[Steak]

He is campaigning at WW but that doesn't make him the same size as all of his competitors, are you denying that they are both very close in size? closer even than Pac is to most WWs?

If Pac dominates him it will be because he has improved, JMM is getting older, or a combination of both, not weight.

Why would Manny go to 135, when all the money fights are at 147?

I mean lets say he goes to 135. Who is he gonna face, Antonio Demarco, Brandon Rios, or Humberto Soto?


And yes, Pacquiao could make 135 but why would he do something like that during this point in his career?

Who says he has to stay at 135? I mean, if hes naturally the same size as Marquez, then he should go to 135 to fight him and it wouldnt be a problem at all. then he can pop right back up to WW or JWW like nothing.

its best for his legacy too. adding another lineal belt to his name.

you guys can sugar coat it all you want, but youre asking Marquez to jump two weights to fight Pacquiao at a weight where he has never even won a single round. I dont care what Pacquiao rehydrates to, hes obviously outgrown the lower classes and is more naturally suited for 140 and 147 than Marquez. Once upon a time Mayweather didnt gain any weight from weigh ins too(such as against Judah), but he was obviously naturally bigger than Marquez even then, and would have had to remove a body part to get to 135lbs.

[Spray_resistant]

Who says he has to stay at 135? I mean, if hes naturally the same size as Marquez, then he should go to 135 to fight him and it wouldnt be a problem at all. then he can pop right back up to WW or JWW like nothing.

its best for his legacy too. adding another lineal belt to his name.

you guys can sugar coat it all you want, but youre asking Marquez to jump two weights to fight Pacquiao at a weight where he has never even won a single round. I dont care what Pacquiao rehydrates to, hes obviously outgrown the lower classes and is more naturally suited for 140 and 147 than Marquez. Once upon a time Mayweather didnt gain any weight from weigh ins too(such as against Judah), but he was obviously naturally bigger than Marquez even then, and would have had to remove a body part to get to 135lbs.

Because there is no need at all for either to make weight, why go through the trouble when both can come as they are for the most part, be roughly the same size and just concentrate on their gameplans?

Your trying to present a scenario where he is fighting a bigger man at a higher weight class when he is in reality fighting a man his size at a higher weight class, whats the problem?

[Khalid X]

Who says he has to stay at 135? I mean, if hes naturally the same size as Marquez, then he should go to 135 to fight him and it wouldnt be a problem at all. then he can pop right back up to WW or JWW like nothing.

its best for his legacy too. adding another lineal belt to his name.

you guys can sugar coat it all you want, but youre asking Marquez to jump two weights to fight Pacquiao at a weight where he has never even won a single round. I dont care what Pacquiao rehydrates to, hes obviously outgrown the lower classes and is more naturally suited for 140 and 147 than Marquez. Once upon a time Mayweather didnt gain any weight from weigh ins too(such as against Judah), but he was obviously naturally bigger than Marquez even then, and would have had to remove a body part to get to 135lbs.

No offense but posters like you are the reason I really wish Pacquiao wouldn't waste his time on Marquez.

If Manny choose someone else, then he is ducking Marquez. If he fights and destroys him you guys will say he waited till he was old, or should have fought him at 135.

BTW tell me why a fighter who is on the A-side of the card, has a ton of options and is the bigger draw, should make concessions and drop down in weight?

Marquez needs Pacquiao, not the other way around, so it makes no sense for Manny to come Marquez. Let's be realistic for a second...........

[Khalid X]

Because there is no need at all for either to make weight, why go through the trouble when both can come as they are for the most part, be roughly the same size and just concentrate on their gameplans?

Your trying to present a scenario where he is fighting a bigger man at a higher weight class when he is in reality fighting a man his size at a higher weight class, whats the problem?

That's what I'm saying.

The second fight, Marquez was 141 and Pacquiao was 145.

In the third fight Marquez will be 145 (same weight he was against Katsidis and Diaz) and Pacquiao will be 148 (same weight he was when he fought Diaz, Oscar, Hatton and Margarito).

If anything they will be closer in weight in the third fight (3lb difference) than in the second fight (4lb difference).

[Steak]

Because there is no need at all for either to make weight, why go through the trouble when both can come as they are for the most part, be roughly the same size and just concentrate on their gameplans?

Your trying to present a scenario where he is fighting a bigger man at a higher weight class when he is in reality fighting a man his size at a higher weight class, whats the problem?

No offense but posters like you are the reason I really wish Pacquiao wouldn't waste his time on Marquez.

If Manny choose someone else, then he is ducking Marquez. If he fights and destroys him you guys will say he waited till he was old, or should have fought him at 135.

BTW tell me why a fighter who is on the A-side of the card, has a ton of options and is the bigger draw, should make concessions and drop down in weight?

Marquez needs Pacquiao, not the other way around, so it makes no sense for Manny to come Marquez. Let's be realistic for a second...........

Marquez and Pacquiao are NOT the same size. this is a horrible myth.

#1: Pacquiao cannot make 135lbs comfortably any more. Marquez can.
#2: Pacquiao actually looked good at 147lbs. Marquez looked obviously worse at the weight, and immediately looked better when he went back to fight at 135lbs.

you guys are trying to base greatness off of rehydration weights. and that is WRONG. it means nothing. Whats even more hilarious is that you arent giving credit to Mayweather for beating Marquez, simply because you *THINK* that he weighed in at 160lbs or something. reality is theres NOTHING factual to base that off of, and shows your bias.

You know, I wouldnt mind Pac-Marquez 3 at WW. Ill certainly watch it. but if it happens and Pacquiao wins, I will not give Pacquiao any more credit for beating Marquez at that weight than I did Mayweather, especially seeing as Marquez is even older.

[FloydTBE]

Pacqioa-Marquez 3 in November. looks certain tbh

[Spray_resistant]

Marquez and Pacquiao are NOT the same size. this is a horrible myth.

#1: Pacquiao cannot make 135lbs comfortably any more. Marquez can.
#2: Pacquiao actually looked good at 147lbs. Marquez looked obviously worse at the weight, and immediately looked better when he went back to fight at 135lbs.

you guys are trying to base greatness off of rehydration weights. and that is WRONG. it means nothing. Whats even more hilarious is that you arent giving credit to Mayweather for beating Marquez, simply because you *THINK* that he weighed in at 160lbs or something. reality is theres NOTHING factual to base that off of, and shows your bias.

You know, I wouldnt mind Pac-Marquez 3 at WW. Ill certainly watch it. but if it happens and Pacquiao wins, I will not give Pacquiao any more credit for beating Marquez at that weight than I did Mayweather, especially seeing as Marquez is even older.

So then Pac is now naturally 2 full weight classes larger than him is what you are saying?

IDK what Floyd weighed for sure against him, we don't need a scale if we have eyes to determine though that he was considerably bigger than JMM.

[badass316]

thats just make believe crap.

fact is: Pacquiao is currently a Welterweight. If he really is Marquez's size, then go ****ing fight at 135lbs, or at least 140lbs, and not force Marquez to balloon up 12lbs.

a Welterweight version of Marquez is nothing special. he has done NOTHING at WW. he hasnt even won a round at WW. and as much as people like to sugar coat it, that is the version of Marquez that Pacquiao would be fighting.

Actually it's not. Look at Pacquio's fight night weights. He normally weighs in around 146-148 range. A full fledged welterweight does not come in at 147 on fight night. In fact, like all other fighters in other weight divisions, they will put on close to 10 pounds between the weigh ins and fight night.

So in essence, Pacquiao still isn't a full/real welterweight. Weight wise you can still consider him a lightweight or a JWW fighting at welterweight. I have no doubt he can go back down to 140 without any difficulties, as well as 135. The reason why he's not campaigning in those weights is because all the money fights are at 147. It also really wouldn't be beneficial to him (health wise) to move up and down weight divisions. I'm no doctor but I'm pretty sure doing so would put a lot more strain on his body. Normally when fighters move up, they stay at that weight, unless of course they're unsuccessful (which he isn't).

I agree though that JMM would be less than optimal at 147 as opposed to 135 or 140. If I had it my way, I'd have the fight at 135 just to shut all the whiners up. But it isn't my call and putting yourself in Pacquiao's shoes or his handlers, why would they make it more difficult for themselves (even if it isn't) in order to compensate for JMM's short comings (his inability to move up in weight)? Pacquiao's side is the one calling the shots, just like PBF's side was the one calling theirs when they fought JMM. JMM is the one who desperately wants the fight, so sadly he's the one that's gonna have to bend over and not vice versa.

Either way I don't think weight is going to be an issue here. JMM doesn't have to make the same mistake trying to blow himself up like he did in the PBF fight. He can just come in at 135-137 or whatever he's most comfortable with on the scales and not have to worry about being outweighed by 15+ pounds. On fight night I'd expect them to be close in weight, JMM came in at 145 against Kats and Pacquiao came in at 148 against Margs. One would expect them to come in close to those weights with about a 3-5 pound difference between the two.