Comments Thread For: Pacquiao, Arum To Discuss Marquez November Trilogy

[ADP02]

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Man oh man, LeadUpperCut really does not get it. I guess he will never get it or more than likely, he just doesn't want to admit his inconsistencies.



2)
LEADUPPERCUT: Is there any chance that you could go find a comment made by me that is clearly not a joke.

ADP02: No, I can't find any one of your posts that are not categorized as a JOKE! lol!




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LEADUPPERCUT: I NEVER called Manny a coward on not willing to fight Marquez at 147

ADP02: Here you said it.
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...+manny&page=28
LEADUPPERCUT: "Me saying Manny is coward at 147 is a joke"

ADP02 RESPONSE: Sure it was a joke. lol! That is why you had to then respond to PullCounter with you 6 more points on why Manny is a coward. Then REPEAT that coward comment ... I mean Joke! lol! ...Geez!




4)
ADP02: First of all you are avoiding my point which was, if you expected Manny to come down 7lbs because it would be "fair", why you being a hypocrite for when Cotto went down 2lbs? Are they not both WW champs whose criteria is 147 limit? Hypocrite! So the question was not, could Manny but why not Cotto if you expect it from Manny? You can have an opinion (no problem) but to call that being a coward or b$tch move is nonsense, especially when you talk the way you do (fairness) about Marquez.

LEADUPPERCUT: Manny is a natural JWW, Ariza and Roach said so.


ADP02: What, does Ariza and Roach have to do with my comment? Again, you avoided my point. Read and answer MY POINT.... but its funny that you don't use their comments when they say, "we tried 150lbs and that is already too much, right now. I think its best for Manny to not go up above 147 again." Right?



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LEADUPPERCUT: You are absolutely correct on both accounts. The 145 demand for Cotto was a total gutless b1tch-move, because Manny had already fought at 147, because true P4P fighters will have no problem going up a division to reach for greatness without a catch-weight, and because Cotto said "147 if you want my title, or no-title if at catch-weight".


ADP02: We are going over the same things because you never answer it properly:
- Let's see. Manny, who had 1 fight at WW against someone you said that even Marquez can beat in Oscar and now its enough? Legit or not?
- Marquez is also P4P fighter.
- Funny how Cotto's words are so important to you but what if Manny said the same to Marquez. Would you also call it the same way? Or call him a coward instead?
- Cotto, WW champ, decided with no arm twisting to fight the smaller Manny at 145 but you called it a b$tch move..... but Manny, a WW champ, MUST go down 7lbs from the WW limit or else he is a COWARD?





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LEADUPPERCUT: SUMMARIZED:
- Cotto is the WW champ. How dare Manny ask him to not come at the WW 147lbs limit.
- Manny is a natural JWW. So he is a coward if he doesn't fight Marquez at 140lbs
- Manny is a natural JWW. So he is a coward for asking Cotto to come down 145lbs.
- Manny is a natural JWW. So he is a coward for not fighting the middleweight Champ Sergio Martinez at 154.

- Manny is a natural JWW and must fight Marquez at 140, Cotto at 147, Martinez at 154 or else he is a coward.
- Manny is a coward if he doesn't do the above BUT can we have a "fair" fight and ask the WW Champ, Manny, to come down from his usual 147lbs WW limit down to 140lbs? If not he is a coward.


WHY YOU NEED TO TAKE EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION FOR WHEN MARQUEZ FIGHTS AN OPPONENT BUT NOT MANNY? See above for examples!!!


ADP02: You have been constantly writing that bull above yet now you want "fairness"? For someone like YOURSELF, to say that Manny or anyone who was fighting at 130 in 2008 is a coward for not fighting the middleweight champ at 154, is just crazy!!!!!




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LEADUPPERCUT: Pacroid is demanding that Marquez jump TWO DIVISIONS to welter.

ADP02:
- You too demanded Manny, the natural JWW, to not only fight the WW champ at 147 but also the 160lb champ at 154. YOU ALSO WENT A STEP FURTHER AND CALLED MANNY A COWARD IF HE DOESN'T DO IT!!! lol




8)
LEADUPPERCUT: It is absurd the way that the "coward card" is thrown around on this site.

ADP02: You are the champ at that. The old LeadUpperCut would have done this to you! lol




9)
You are constantly using the following to deviate from the point on hand:
LEADUPPERCUT: - But Roach said "Manny is a JWW"
ADP02: So what! That didn't change the point on hand.

LEADUPPERCUT: - I want the fight at 140 not 147
ADP02: I know already. Say something else to counter my point! Geez!

LEADUPPERCUT: - Only a non-boxing fanboy like you could possibly think that a fight now at 147 with a 38yo Marquez is going to prove anything. In fact, that is a totally ignorant ***wit thing to say kid.
ADP02: You say 147 but what has he proven to us at 140? No you are the clown because I don't think its going to prove anything at 140 nor 147 ....
YOU want this fight at 140 NOT me because Manny smokes THIS Marquez at 140+ and you say that I don't know boxing? Please wind up and give yourself a huge UpperCut!!!

[BennyST]

Oh joy! Another catch-weight fight against another 40 year old, past it fighter who is now clearly beatable and only then do they take the fight at a weight in which Marquez is clearly too small for. He'll only have had a lay off of a year, be 40, fat and past it.

It's pretty obvious Marquez' best days are well and truly behind him and so they take the fight, at a BS weight where Pac supposedly has to eat himself into, and in which they know that he will now win with Marquez being old and past his use by date, and too small for 147 and they think it will make him (Pac) look like he would always have won their 'trilogy'.

I love Marquez and wish him to get big money fights but this is a bull**** fight. At 147 for some reason against another old man at the end of his career. How many more old fighters and fighters at the end of their careers is this dude going to fight just so he can say he beat 'name' fighters or just so people can say he would always beat Marquez, when everyone knows at both peaks, it's Marquez who had the edge.

[LeadUppercut]

Oh joy! Another catch-weight fight against another 40 year old, past it fighter who is now clearly beatable and only then do they take the fight at a weight in which Marquez is clearly too small for. He'll only have had a lay off of a year, be 40, fat and past it.

It's pretty obvious Marquez' best days are well and truly behind him and so they take the fight, at a BS weight where Pac supposedly has to eat himself into, and in which they know that he will now win with Marquez being old and past his use by date, and too small for 147 and they think it will make him (Pac) look like he would always have won their 'trilogy'.

I love Marquez and wish him to get big money fights but this is a bull**** fight. At 147 for some reason against another old man at the end of his career. How many more old fighters and fighters at the end of their careers is this dude going to fight just so he can say he beat 'name' fighters or just so people can say he would always beat Marquez, when everyone knows at both peaks, it's Marquez who had the edge.

Correct, on all counts.

You see, that's the difference between an honest, knowledgable, boxing fan..... and a dishonest, flag-waving, fan-boy, like ADP02.

You see, that dopey kid doesn't seem to agree with you at all.

He thinks that it would be completely fair if Manny were to fight yet "another 40 year old, past it fighter who is now clearly beatable and only then do they take the fight at a weight in which Marquez is clearly too small for"

Aint ADP02 just a fkn genius ?

He also doesn't seem to agree with you about the kudos that should be afforded Manny for said "accomplishment".

* "It's pretty obvious Marquez' best days are well and truly behind him"..... well, not according to that fkn legendary analyst ADP02. He thinks that the career-featherweight, and current lightweight Marquez, will have no problem at all, and that Manny should be given full credit for that "accomplishment".

* "and so they take the fight, at a BS weight where Pac supposedly has to eat himself into"..... Huh? Are you saying that Manny is manipulating the situation to gain an unfair advantage? I am sure that is just a coincidence bro, we can easily disprove that by looking at Manny's 7 most recent opponents since 135. OK let's start with..... oh, damn..... never mind.....

* "and in which they know that he will now win with Marquez being old and past his use by date"..... What, you mean, just like Diaz, Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, and Margarito? Wow, what a coincidence.

* "and too small for 147 and they think it will make him (Pac) look like he would always have won their 'trilogy' "..... oh come on man, you are just being a hater now, surely that cannot be right?

Surely the reason why the immediate rematch never happened was Marquez' fault? I mean, when Arum reneged on the agreed $1.5mil offer and reduced it by 50% to 750k..... surely that was because of JMM's poor performance in the second Pac fight? that could not have happened because Arum DID NOT WANT the Manny-train to be derailed by a guy who clearly had Manny's number?

Surely Team Pacquiao would not do that ?

***, you owned me

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ADP, you have just become my first " ignore ".

NOTE: I am not putting you on ignore because of your ignorance.

I am putting you on ignore because of your blatant dishonesty, and because of the unreasonable nature of your approach.....

* Ignoring links that confirm facts from reputable trainers/coaches, in favor of your own uninformed "opinion"..... WTF? P1ss off kid.

* Taking comments out of context

* Putting words in my mouth

* Blatant double-standards

* Ignoring or white-washing obvious facts

* Strawman attacks

* Ignoring common-sense

* Blatant dishonesty

* Blatant ignorance, because ignoring ineptitude is blatant dishonesty

I mean, what sort of an idiot kid makes this comment.....

"- Cotto, WW champ, decided with no arm twisting to fight the smaller Manny at 145 but you called it a b$tch move..... "

You are a lying ignorant piece-of-****.

Anyways kid..... I am done with you because of your blatant dishonest whining.

And, I get the last word, because you are on ignore in about 1 second

[ADP02]

You see, that's the difference between an honest, knowledgable, boxing fan..... and a dishonest, flag-waving, fan-boy, like ADP02.

You see, that dopey kid doesn't seem to agree with you at all.

He thinks that it would be completely fair if Manny were to fight yet "another 40 year old, past it fighter who is now clearly beatable and only then do they take the fight at a weight in which Marquez is clearly too small for"

Aint ADP02 just a fkn genius ?

What you talking about? YOU ARE THE ONE WHO WANTS THIS FIGHT AT 140.

Dishonest? In every post I say I DON'T WANT THE FIGHT TO HAPPEN. I SAID THAT IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE POST. I GUESS I WAS RIGHT THAT YOU DO HAVE COMPREHENSION PROBLEMS.

lol! I just read the below comment by LeadUpperCut! IGNORE? That is what I call A COWARD! NOT MANNY!!! lol![ but its a free world ... do what you gotta do!

LEADUPPERCUT: I am putting you on ignore because of your blatant dishonesty, and because of the unreasonable nature of your approach.....


HERE ARE EXAMPLES OF WHAT I POSTED IN MY PREVIOUS POSTS IN THIS THREAD.



Like I have told you a long time ago, I like Marquez but THIS OLD Marquez will get smoked at 140+ and that is why I hoped Manny gets to fight someone else. You on the other hand have called Manny a coward constantly (YES, even at 147!!!) but now are making more and more excuses for Marquez ... SO, LIKE I SAID A WHILE BACK, WHAT's THE POINT NOW, especially, if you agree that it will mean nothing at this point if Manny beats Marquez?


I want Manny taking on the best available not another guy at the tail end of their career, aging, out of prime and has no shot at 140+ at this point, especially since he hasn't proved he can even fight there! Plus, if this fight happens, you will hear the other Manny haters say what I just said WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU ARE ALREADY USING FOR AN EXCUSE PRIOR TO THE FIGHT!!!!


You say 147 but what has he proven to us at 140? No you are the clown because I don't think its going to prove anything at 140 nor 147 ....
YOU want this fight at 140 NOT me because Manny smokes THIS Marquez at 140+ and you say that I don't know boxing?

YOU ARE THE DISHONEST ONE!!! Please wind up and give yourself a huge UpperCut!!!

[iNDOLiFER]

got damm 3 fights in a year!! lol... no wonder why he's hated on... i would hate him to if i have to compete against him.

[tomhawq]

Oh joy! Another catch-weight fight against another 40 year old, past it fighter who is now clearly beatable and only then do they take the fight at a weight in which Marquez is clearly too small for. He'll only have had a lay off of a year, be 40, fat and past it.

It's pretty obvious Marquez' best days are well and truly behind him and so they take the fight, at a BS weight where Pac supposedly has to eat himself into, and in which they know that he will now win with Marquez being old and past his use by date, and too small for 147 and they think it will make him (Pac) look like he would always have won their 'trilogy'.

I love Marquez and wish him to get big money fights but this is a bull**** fight. At 147 for some reason against another old man at the end of his career. How many more old fighters and fighters at the end of their careers is this dude going to fight just so he can say he beat 'name' fighters or just so people can say he would always beat Marquez, when everyone knows at both peaks, it's Marquez who had the edge.

this is total bs. i'd believe it if manny is way bigger than marquez. marquez is even taller than manny for phuk's sake. nahh. that's utter garbage. these fighters can come in at their comfortable weight. marquez doens't have to bloat himself up for the fight just like manny didn't in his fight with marg. if marquez can't have the capacity to do that, then he needs to challenge some small guy he can bully. he doens't deserve the fight. he's too weak to fight the pacman, if that is what you are saying.

[LeadUppercut]

this is total bs. i'd believe it if manny is way bigger than marquez. marquez is even taller than manny for phuk's sake. nahh. that's utter garbage. these fighters can come in at their comfortable weight. marquez doens't have to bloat himself up for the fight just like manny didn't in his fight with marg. if marquez can't have the capacity to do that, then he needs to challenge some small guy he can bully. he doens't deserve the fight. he's too weak to fight the pacman, if that is what you are saying.

Please do not go out of your way to rival ADP02's ******ity and ignorance.

this is total bs. i'd believe it if manny is way bigger than marquez. marquez is even taller than manny for phuk's sake

FACT: JMM is a career-FW, who currently campaigns at lightweight

FACT: Manny is a natural JWW, and can easily make 140 according to both Alex Ariza and Freddie Roach

these fighters can come in at their comfortable weight

What..... like Cotto did ?

marquez doens't have to bloat himself up for the fight just like manny didn't in his fight with marg

Don't be so fkn pig-ignorant, you lame kid.

The issue is.....

* Manny will not afford Marquez the same luxury that he DEMANDED from Cotto and Margarito, even though JMM is currently campaigning TWO DIVISIONS lower than Pac

* Manny used size as an excuse to duck Sergio Martinez, and he has previously used catch-weights on more than one occasion, but he will not fight JMM unless the midget jumps TWO DIVISIONS to 147, which is higher than when Manny won his WW title

* This is just a continuation of the same type of cherry-picking manipulation that has permeated the latter part of Manny's career, exactly like it says here.....

"However, this fight only makes sense to me if it takes place at junior welterweight (and I would hope Marquez would weigh-in under 140 pounds). Why Pacquiao and company refuse to even consider fighting Marquez at 140 pounds (instead of the 144 or 147 they stipulate) is a very good question. The answer is obvious: they want every conceivable advantage against their aging but still-dangerous nemesis".....
http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/1...friday-mailbag

if marquez can't have the capacity to do that, then he needs to challenge some small guy he can bully

You fkn moron, that is EXACTLY what Manny is doing.

He is a " JMW champion " who did not have " the capacity " to ever fight a genuine JMW opponent, instead, he would prefer to "challenge some small guy he can bully"..... like the lightweight Marquez.

Give yourself an uppercut for walking into that one with your hands down.

he doens't deserve the fight. he's too weak to fight the pacman, if that is what you are saying.

Like Pac was " too weak " to fight Cotto, Hoya, and Margarito at their natural weight?

Your position is solely based on the exact same childish whiney excuses that the non-boxing fanboy ADP02 bases all of his uninformed "opinions" on

You wanna watch that, or your credibility will plummet like his did

[Seleção No. 13]

What's with the essays in this thread?

[tomhawq]

Please do not go out of your way to rival ADP02's ******ity and ignorance.



FACT: JMM is a career-FW, who currently campaigns at lightweight

FACT: Manny is a natural JWW, and can easily make 140 according to both Alex Ariza and Freddie Roach

total bs. don't ever give me that career bullcrap. it's nothing. absolutely nothing. challengers and beggars can't be choosers. just like pac agreed to the terms of the champ when he was. besides, if you think marquez is that weak. then tell him to stop calling out pac.

147 is just the maximum they can come in the fight. again, marquez doens't have to blow himself up. besides, pac doens't even like this fight. the unfinished business is over for him. he doens't like marquez as a dancing partner. he is too boring for him. all he does is wait and counter. pac is an entertainer. he feels uneasiness when no action is taking place. he doens't want to disappoint the paying public. pac wants dancing partners who can dance with him. look at what happened with marquez in his fight with mayflower. he was bloated and forced to be the aggressor than do his usual counter.

point is, it's no big deal for pac if this fight doens't happen.

[ADP02]

total bs. don't ever give me that career bullcrap. it's nothing. absolutely nothing. challengers and beggars can't be choosers. just like pac agreed to the terms of the champ when he was. besides, if you think marquez is that weak. then tell him to stop calling out pac.

147 is just the maximum they can come in the fight. again, marquez doens't have to blow himself up. besides, pac doens't even like this fight. the unfinished business is over for him. he doens't like marquez as a dancing partner. he is too boring for him. all he does is wait and counter. pac is an entertainer. he feels uneasiness when no action is taking place. he doens't want to disappoint the paying public. pac wants dancing partners who can dance with him. look at what happened with marquez in his fight with mayflower. he was bloated and forced to be the aggressor than do his usual counter.

point is, it's no big deal for pac if this fight doens't happen.

Careful PacFan,

LeadUpperCut, says things about Manny (coward) but then he is OK with Marquez doing the same. It's just hypocrisy at its best.

Examples
- Manny fought Margarito, a career WW at 150. So for him that equals Manny having to fight Sergio Martinez, the middleweight champ, at 154lb OR ELSE HE IS A COWARD just because he got a belt!!! LeadUpperCut knows very well that Manny and Martinez don't belong in the same division YET Manny is a coward for him .... BUT Marquez gets that break and AGAIN Manny MUST fight Marquez at 140 or else he is a COWARD!!!

- For LeadUpperCut, Manny was a coward for asking the WW champ Cotto at 145 instead of the WW 147 limit. Remember that Cotto was the very first TRUE WW that Manny fought. Plus LeadUpperCut, thought that even Marquez could have beat that version of Oscar.




LeadUpperCut throws that word "COWARD" everytime he mentions Manny but you will see that he doesn't expect the same from his Marquez, who I actually like!

While I don't want Marquez to fight Manny at 147lbs, its kind of hypocritical that now that the shoe is on the other foot, LeadUpperCut says that Marquez doesn't need to go fight Manny, who is the WW champ, at his WW limit of 147.

Why?

Because the 147lbs WW limit is no longer important for LeadUpperCut.

It's no longer the "stick of cowardness" for LeadUpperCut.

Since Marquez is his guy, the rules now consist on Manny being a natural JWW and not that he is a WW champ. Crazy stuff, hey?

UNfortunately, Marquez is getting older and hasn't shown us anything at 140+, so I think it would be best that Manny not fight Marquez as there is nothing to gain from that at this point.

Finally: There is a reason why they made divisions. This is so a smaller guy doesn't need to fight the bigger guy. So for LeadUpperCut calling anyone a coward because he tried to go to 150 and doesn't think, at the present time, that he can go up to 154, is nonsense. If Manny one day thinks he can, great but until then let go it go LeadUpperCut!