Comments Thread For: Pacquiao, Arum To Discuss Marquez November Trilogy

[LeadUppercut]

I didn't say I supported him I said this is something that is common in the history of boxing and people wanna act like this is something new. This happened before Pacquiao and will happen after Pacquiao,

So if this fight happened at 140 and Marquez won would you recognize him as the welterweight champ? Your also probably one of the same guys that has been hatin on Canelo too. I'm not saying you aren't right to have a different opinion. The point I am making is don't sit here and say this OK for Marquez and turn around and hate on Canelo.

No way, definitely not..... and I support Canelo 100%.

But I don't think that Canelo is a genuine JMW champ anymore than Pac was.

[jai mari078]

What, like Manny did when he demanded a catch-weight for Cotto?

No, wait.....

In the end Cotto accepted the terms so he has no one to blame but himself, no one forced him to accept those terms, just as Marquez doesn't have to accept terms he doesnt like.

Cotto compromised 2lbs and that was his choice, so he has no one to blame but himself. Once again I support and like Cotto as a fighter, being Mexican there aren't many PR fighters I have supported but I like Cotto. Truth of the matter is it doesn't matter what weight they fought at the result would have been the same.

Compromising on 2lbs and 7lbs is a huge difference, and if you can't see that you need to take off the blinders. I'm not saying this is ideal way to do things all I'm saying is if the other fighter accepts terms he has no one to blame but himself. In the end it's all about money and Marquez is close to retiring and wants to make as much money as possible so don't make him out to be the victim. If he accepts terms he knows what he is getting himslef into and it's ultimately his decision to make. He knows he won't make as much anywhere else but Floyd, which is also the reason he decided to fight when Floyd deliberately didn't make weight. Now that was a ***** move by Floyd!!!!!!!!

The only people I hear bi*ch about the Cotto fight is here because Cotto never has.

[jai mari078]

No way, definitely not..... and I support Canelo 100%.

But I don't think that Canelo is a genuine JMW champ anymore than Pac was.

Well I respect your opinion even if we don't agree 100% on everything. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, just have an unbiased opinion.

As I said i like both fighters and all I am saying is if the tables were turned Marquez would do the same thing. It's not Pacquiao's fault Marquez has not been able to move up in weight the way he has and he should not bee puished for it. Marquez should not be calling him out if he cannot make the weight is all I am saying. I know the last 2 fights were close and he wants a third but if he wants it that bad he can't expect to dictate the terms is all I'm saying.

I would say the same thing if the tables were turned for Marquez

[Laborer]

The fight is not even signed and you already giving Marquez some excuse if he lost to Pac?! The "Top Guy" in boxing (which is Pac) will tell the "Bottom Guys" (the rest of the fighters out their) whats the deal is and it's not the other way around?!

did you really think it was an excuse? God...

[LeadUppercut]

Well I respect your opinion even if we don't agree 100% on everything. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, just have an unbiased opinion.

As I said i like both fighters and all I am saying is if the tables were turned Marquez would do the same thing. It's not Pacquiao's fault Marquez has not been able to move up in weight the way he has and he should not bee puished for it. Marquez should not be calling him out if he cannot make the weight is all I am saying. I know the last 2 fights were close and he wants a third but if he wants it that bad he can't expect to dictate the terms is all I'm saying.

I would say the same thing if the tables were turned for Marquez

I get the feeling that you see Pac as a welterweight ?

He quite simply, is not.

I will never agree with your position that they should fight at 147.

This old post may explain why.....

To all of the posters that know more about Manny's singing prowess than his boxing abilities, this will explain why it is a b1tch move for Manny Pacquiao to fight Juan Manuel Marquez at 147......

Obviously 135 is the limit for Marquez. The Katsidis fight that took place over the weekend, is the first fight where the career-featherweight Marquez has even looked close to being a genuine lightweight.

Clearly, even at 140, Manny would still have a HUGE advantage over the old-age pensioner Marquez..... and Manny can easily make 140.

Immediately prior to the Margarito fight, Freddie Roach and Alex Ariza both stated that Manny was a natural junior welterweight. Ariza said that they simply could not keep any weight on Manny, and that he had to eat 6 meals a day just to remain at welterweight.

Bob Arum's earlier comment that he did not want Manny to "starve" himself to make 143, was an absolute lie, and a total b1tch-move by Team Pacquiao.

Here is proof that Manny Pacquiao can eat "anything on the table" while training for a fight where he weighed in at 144.....
http://www.examiner.com/fight-sports...t-middleweight
http://www.strengthspeedagility.com/...aining-program
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/g...ible-physique/
http://www.pacquiao-margarito.com/en...-inner-circle/
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=621958
http://ezinearticles.com/?Boxing-Rin...nce&id=2546429
http://www.pacquiaovsmargarito.net/w...ight-pacquiao/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/g...ment-at-first/
http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blo...o-inner-circle

Here is the Team Pacquiao lie.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=33333

Why did Team Pacquiao lie ?

Manny has a much bigger frame than the career-featherweight Marquez. At 147, Manny will be able to officially build up to 6-7lbs of muscle that Marquez' smaller frame simply cannot support.

The smaller Marquez cannot build anywhere near the same usable muscle-mass that Mannys larger frame can accomodate, let alone maintain that muscle-mass, let alone use that muscle-mass to the point where it directly affects your power.

On a smaller frame it is much more difficult to build usable power without it affecting your speed, and if Marquez does not maintain his speed, then it will turn out to be a bad mis-match.

Even at 140, Juan would only have a small chance against Manny - who would be much faster, and much stronger - and if Marquez does not maintain his speed, then he will have no chance at all, because his skills will not be effective against the faster/stronger Pacquiao.

The posters that are suggesting that the weight would make no difference, are being a little dishonest.

And the posters that are suggesting that the fight-night weights are the same anyway, are confusing water rehydration with usable muscle-mass. I am not an expert on Manny's fight-night weight, nor Juan's for that matter, but you posters that are suggesting there is no difference between the two, are confusing the water re-hydration of Marquez, with the official muscle-mass of Pacquiao.

The point is.....

Freddie Roach and Bob Arum are both well aware that Marquez cannot fight any higher than 135. If the fight was held at 140, then it would be a lightweight against a junior welterweight. But if the fight was held at 147, then it would be a lightweight vs a small welterweight.....

..... WHICH IS WHY THEY LIED !!

[SluggerFan]

If JMM and Pacquiao fight, it will be for a welterweight title with a limit of 147 lbs. But anyone with half a brain will realize neither fighter will even be close to that limit. Pacquiao had trouble keeping the weight on against Margarito and came in that fight a 144 lbs. JMM knows his speed will be needed to be top notch against Pacquiao so he will probably weigh about 141 or possibly 142 lbs. Pacquiao also knows he will need his speed to be top notch as well to try and beat JMM, so he will probably come in lower than 144 lbs, probably 142 or maybe 143 lbs. So, although JMM may be fighting 6 or 7 pounds above his 'best' weight, it won't be anything like the weight disparity with Floyd Jr. These guys will be virtually the same size and do battle a third and final time. It should be a good fight if it indeed does happen in November...

And I agree with the previous poster, if JMM agrees to the terms laid out on the table (whatever they may be), then he has to take responsibility. If JMM didn't think he could win, then he wouldn't take the fight. So, if he feels he can win and won't make any excuses after the fight, then JMM supporters or Pac haters shouldn't either. These guys are warriors, they know what they are getting into and are big boys and can make decisions for themselves. They don't need us fans trying to decide what is best for them, who are we, their mothers???

[jrosales13]

If JMM and Pacquiao fight, it will be for a welterweight title with a limit of 147 lbs. But anyone with half a brain will realize neither fighter will even be close to that limit. Pacquiao had trouble keeping the weight on against Margarito and came in that fight a 144 lbs. JMM knows his speed will be needed to be top notch against Pacquiao so he will probably weigh about 141 or possibly 142 lbs. Pacquiao also knows he will need his speed to be top notch as well to try and beat JMM, so he will probably come in lower than 144 lbs, probably 142 or maybe 143 lbs. So, although JMM may be fighting 6 or 7 pounds above his 'best' weight, it won't be anything like the weight disparity with Floyd Jr. These guys will be virtually the same size and do battle a third and final time. It should be a good fight if it indeed does happen in November...

No it's a garbage ass fight.

The fight only means something if it's at 135. Anything higher is garbage.

[SluggerFan]

No it's a garbage ass fight.

The fight only means something if it's at 135. Anything higher is garbage.

Whatever! You have a right to your opinion but I think you are wrong. And, can I ask, who are you to say JMM can't fight under the terms laid out on the table. You have no right to tell him anything. You can b*tch and complain all you want but if JMM wants the fight, you can sit in the dark and cry in the corner with all the emo geeks because he will take the fight. He is a man and can make his own decisions, he doesn't need you to go to bat for him...

[tomhawq]

No it's a garbage ass fight.

The fight only means something if it's at 135. Anything higher is garbage.

Then speak for yourself and don't watch it. No one forces you to. What are phuking crazy? Would you come down to that weight if you're Pac? You must be ******. He's the champ. **** on Marquez for wanting this fight. Pac don't have to.

[jrosales13]

Whatever! You have a right to your opinion but I think you are wrong. And, can I ask, who are you to say JMM can't fight under the terms laid out on the table. You have no right to tell him anything. You can b*tch and complain all you want but if JMM wants the fight, you can sit in the dark and cry in the corner with all the emo geeks because he will take the fight. He is a man and can make his own decisions, he doesn't need you to go to bat for him...

Are you an idiot?

If I'm going to bat for anybody, I'm going to bad for Manny Pacquiao...

This is not a garbage fight for JMM POV. This him cashing out and daring to be great.

This is a garbage fight for Pac.

Because, Pac is not daring to be great. Which as a fan I want him to. I want him to go back to that great run of 08 and 09. There hadn't been a run like that since Tito 99-01 run.

But, this fight doesn't do it especially after Shane, which was after Margarito? How many garbage ass fights in a row are we going to get?