Comments Thread For: Will Heavyweight Boxing Stop Sucking in 2011?

[reeflegend]

Jealous?

The Heavyweight division is not thriving. I mean it will be competitive absolutely. But to say it's thriving your just ******* your own chain. You have a lot of mid level fighters who will be fighting each other so that will make it a bit more exciting. There is no great heavy weight fighters nor will they ever be. They're out playing Football, Basketball, and now MMA. I'm a fan of the Klits, and to keep putting them down is just ******ity. How can you blame people for beating up the people that are put in front of them. They wanted a match with haye 2 years ago and he ducked for a paper title..to give him "leverage"

Let's face it...Heavyweights are not the future of boxing. And everyone forget that a heavyweights will never be the rock em sock em robots, it's usually a slow pace with one big punch....The future is the Welter adn the middleweights...and right now, It's awesome....Why not embrace boxing for what it is now instead of looking for the next tyson, holyfield, or lewis....

[ChopperRead]

with haye stating he wants an early retirement and vitali not getting younger, the future of the hw´s looks awful.

im not a klitscko fan, but when those guys retire, there wont be any quality left in the division.

i havent heard about anyone coming through the ranks, where the general consensus is, that this is a real talent.

What we might get, is a more equal division in terms of talent and ability, but thats going to be at an ability and quality llevel, that will surpass the worst of the wort eras, in hw boxing.

There is some good European talent on the way up, like Boytsov and Helenius, who both can really punch. Tyson Fury looked good last time out and he is also very young. HW boxing looks bleak for Americans, maybe, but not otherwise.

[cupocity303]

in scores of 1-10 the klits rate as follows.....
boxing skill: 5
speed/agility: 1
level of opponents faced: 3 (excluding vitalis LOSS to lennox lewis)
punch resistance(wladimir) -1
punch resistance(vitali) 9
power in punch(wladimir) 6
power in punch (vitali) 9 when he connects.
financial draw: ZERO anywhere other than germany.
entertainment factor: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
probabilty of leaving a lasting legacy of excellence: 1 (if either beat the only credible h/w around today,david haye) which is highly improbable considering they are both s.h.i.t and haye already beat an even bigger robotic bumbling statue in valuev.
overall score taking into consideration the lack of decent american talent which is a shame i would score vitali :::::::4! and three of those is his fight with LL.
wladimir however, although he has remained active but again.....no decent american opposition means no real draw in america and because he is way to big and robotic means he has little or no draw outside of germany coupled with the fact that a layed off corrie sanders spanked him senseless in the only fight he has been in where his boxing heart was proven very small it leaves me with very little to be impressed by other than his longevity as the "unified" h/w champ but quashed by all the unimpressive things about him.
im gonna score vladimir:::::an even 2. (the 2 represents the length of time as champ and nothing more)
in summary they are both s.h.i.t and we will forget about them very quickly, just like that big lumux back in the day.....he fought max baer.....the italian....he fell all over the ring.....whats his name? ya see! forgot already.

This is a crap post, and I didn't even bother finishing this crappy sentence structure of a post.

[cupocity303]

I just wish there were real contenders to push the champs. No way to know how good anyone can be if they're fighting **** fighters.

This is intellectually dishonest on your part.

How do you define, "Real Contenders"? Does someone have to beat the crap out of Wlad with Wlad coming back from behind Arturo Gatti or Diego Corrales style?

The truth is David Haye might be the best on ability opponent Wlad has faced, and yet if Wlad dominates him in typical fashion like any other opponent, someone like you would lump him in with the rest, instead of giving a little credit when it's due.

Currently on Wlad's record - ON Ability/Talent, Eddie Chambers >>>> Everybody.

[cupocity303]

Those are the facts, indeed. When will the LHW division stop sucking so much that a 45 year old MW can beat the top LHW?

Hey now, I'm a fan of Wlad if you've noticed my posts. I admire great technical fighters who are smart. Wlad is that.

Bernard Hopkins may be the opposite of a Wlad KLitschko (Black, different background) but I admire him for the same reasons. Great fighter - always finds a way not to get his ass kicked by anybody, AND I MEAN ANYBODY.

If he doesn't win, he at least gives them a run for his money. You can't knock that.

[cupocity303]

They are fighting good fighters, guys who would be HW champions if they weren't around.

Your real complaint is that they make the best of the rest look so bad.

They are victims of their own success.

To borrow a line from a "Slick African American Fighter".

- They say I aint' fighting nobody, I just make em' look like Nobodies -

[cupocity303]

The Heavyweight division is not thriving. I mean it will be competitive absolutely. But to say it's thriving your just ******* your own chain. You have a lot of mid level fighters who will be fighting each other so that will make it a bit more exciting. There is no great heavy weight fighters nor will they ever be. They're out playing Football, Basketball, and now MMA. I'm a fan of the Klits, and to keep putting them down is just ******ity. How can you blame people for beating up the people that are put in front of them. They wanted a match with haye 2 years ago and he ducked for a paper title..to give him "leverage"

Let's face it...Heavyweights are not the future of boxing. And everyone forget that a heavyweights will never be the rock em sock em robots, it's usually a slow pace with one big punch....The future is the Welter adn the middleweights...and right now, It's awesome....Why not embrace boxing for what it is now instead of looking for the next tyson, holyfield, or lewis....

I agree with everything except for the part in red.

This is a typical myth, assuming that the big athlete is out playing Basketball instead of becoming a All-time Great Heavyweight. I call Bull.

Michael Phelps might be a great fast swimmer, but that doesn't mean that if he only had picked up Running from an early age, he'd be one of the greatest Sprinters. At the same time, Usain Bolt might be a great sprinter, but that doesn't mean he'd be a great swimmer had there been a Swimming Pool in his neighborhood and he had started doing that.


Potential great Heavyweight Boxers in MMA? Name them.

And I wouldn't use Holyfield and Tyson for examples as the epitome of greatness either.

[Motofan]

I usually agree with you Cliff, but not on this one. Say either or both brother loses. Then what? You still have the same group of "nobodies" getting fights against the new guys (after the rematches of course.) Its a short term bandaid if anything. Plus, neither guy the bro's are fighting is actually exciting themselves. I know Haye's fans love to say he is the most exciting fighter since Tyson, but all of his fights at heavyweight have been horrible to watch. He throws very few punches, and spends most of his time posing. But unlike most of the people saying Haye is exciting, you actually watch the fights. You know this. No, the division is ass, regardless of the outcome of either fight. Even when the brothers retire, it will still be ass.

[cleaner147]

To borrow a line from a "Slick African American Fighter".

- They say I aint' fighting nobody, I just make em' look like Nobodies -

Roy Jones ?

[Joeyzagz]

This is the worst Heavyweight era because the country with the most 200 lbers per capita doesnt give a twat about the sport. Men's Lacrosse is a bigger sport in the United States than boxing.

If David Haye fought in Frank Bruno's era he would not have a championship belt. Bruno had to face tough Americans like Tyson and Oliver Mccall. Today the toughest Americans are John Ruiz and ironically Oliver Mccall(20 years later).

The division sucks and its sad that people pretend its decent.