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that's what you spun. if you actually understood the offers you would find out that they turned them down for much better offers. hopkins made much more fighting delahoya than a calzaghe fight. calzaghe only wanted to fight taylor in his hometown where he has a history of cheating. why would taylor go there when the fight could be stolen from him?
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I didn't say he was or would have fought him. All I'm saying is that if he was willing to fight Jones, for more money -- I'd assume -- it's not a duck. It's an option.
He fought Felix Trinidad in 2001 on a bigger stage and for very good money. That isn't a duck. Ducking means that you avoid challenges to get easy wins. Trinidad isn't an easy win. Calzaghe might have been the harder fighter, but that's inconsequential. For the right amount of money, I'm sure Hopkins would have taken the fight. He, like a lot of America fighters, doesn't like fighting abroad. He fought in Canada and just got robbed. There is a reason to avoid it if possible. Calzaghe preferred fighting at home for the most part, as well.The offer was made in 2001 and it was a career high purse for Hopkins at that time. Its the same purse Hopkins got when they actually did fight.
Options, not ducking. Calzaghe didn't want to rematch Hopkins after their fight. That's not ducking. It was an option. (And yes, you can duck someone AFTER having beat them.)
Lol. Google isn't a fact source. Generally, it's an opinion source. As most of what is on the internet, is opinion-based.Google is your friend.
I agree. I wish someone had done it. Ottke ****** so bad.No doubt buttaking his unbeaten scalp when he was #1 in the division adds to your legacy.
Yes, it is. Virtually every fighter is guilty of it.Its called pricing yourself out, $4m was a great purse for Taylor.
He also got paid well to stay in his own division. He didn't even move up to 168 pounds and had a harder time with a career-long Middleweight.He had 2 chances.
Building your career isn't just the money. It's the options involved, as well. So much more goes into it.Seems pretty straight forward to me. All would have made great money and decided against it.Comment
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yes because delahoya had already stated he was moving up to try and capture the middlweight title from hopkins. hopkins took some easy fights to stay busy. obviously you don't know much about boxing so you wouldn't know these things. i'm not saying it was the right thing to do from a but financially it was. and your only reason for hopkins ducking calzaghe was he turned down a lot of money but i disproved that.
yes a history of cheating. what do you call it when the refs stop a bunch of your fights when your opponent isn't even hurt or hit thus robbing them of any chance at victory. cheating.Comment
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there's a big difference between tactically cheating such as using headbutts or illegally hitting with the inside of your glove and having the ref give you the fight outright thus protecting you from a potential loss. 1 gives you a small advantage and 1 gives you the entire fight!
also robbing hopkins and winky doesn't really matter because no one likes them so who cares.Comment
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"Sir Joe"????????????? WOW, talk about being a fanboy! Any grown ass man who refers to another man as "Sir Joe" just to show how much of a man crush he has on him has way bigger problems than losing arguments on Boxingscene threads.Steve Collins - Retired saying he only wanted Jones. Would later attempt a comeback after he didnt have to face Calzaghe
Bernard Hopkins - Rejected a a career high purse at that time to face Calzaghe while constantly calling out the 154 division
Roy Jones - Rejected a $5m offer to fight in America
Sven Ottke - Wouldnt even return Warrens phone calls
Jermain Taylor - Rejected a $4m offer saying he'd only fight Joe for $10m
Kelly Pavlik - Rejected offers before and after the Miranda fight
I cant say i blame them for ducking Sir Joe but i do feel they should be named and shamed
Oh, and by the way just in case you forgot.........prime Jones and prime Hopkins whoop Calslappy, oh im sorry I mean "Sir Joe"
From now on I know to not take you seriously! The "Sir Joe" thing is creepy and kind of gay and it was ultimately what made me think of you as a fruit!Comment
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You're missing the point. He never had an option because Jones wasnt fighting him. He said he couldnt get Jones and was unmotivated to face Calzaghe then after Calzaghe whooped Eubank and Collins road was clear he announced a comeback.
He made 2.75m against Tito. Coulda made 3m against Calzaghe after it. Dont matter how you try to spin it, he rejected a career high purse to face bums for less money.
Who would have bought Hopkins-Calzaghe 2? Seriously....The first fight was crap and it couldnt draw viewers or fill the venu. What would a second fight have done after everyone had seen Hopkins run like a coward and fake injuries? Would Calzaghe have made the 10m he got against Jones? Hell no.
Taylor quotes are not opinion.
Byron Mitchell, Charles Brewer and Robin Reid all beat Ottke anyway, so Joe one upped him if you look at it that way
He coulda made better money against Joe but i give him a pass more than the rest because (A)Pavlik was green and (B) i'm a fan of him
What options?
Yeah, the dates i posted are wrong. It was 02 the first offer was made. There was more offers made after this too. It was still before Oscar had faced Vargas and Mosley though. So the point still stands.
""A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, double the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.
Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."
- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.
Career high payday to face Joe Calzaghe in the United States with the potential of winning a world title in higher division....Why did Nard make the fight an impossibility by demanded $6m when he knew he would never get it after Warren had said he could have the $3m he originally asked for?"
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