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  • #31
    Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502 View Post
    Been good, you?

    Yea but you have to remember where you are posting....LOL

    People think that because Canelo is the WBC champ, he needs to be fighting Sergio Martinez next, we all know it's a BS title given to him by the most corrupt man in boxing Jose Suleiman.

    They will take their time with Canelo and they should because he is only 20 and the kid has it all, good speed, power, chin, will and heart. He just needs to get better defensively and be more of a boxer but you know Mexicans like to fight...lol.

    I think a good money making fight would be Canelo vs JCC Jr., that would be entertaining and bring in money.
    Thats a good matchup, also Canelo vs Quintana would be pretty good as well, although I think JCC jr is better than quintana, but we'll see...

    AS far as taking time with Canelo I think that is the right thing to do, u don't want to put him in a position like they did to vargas against Trinidad or something liek that u know, give him some time and he'll be boxing's next cash cow just like DLH

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    • #32
      Originally posted by CarlosG815 View Post
      Canelo has been fighting since he was 10, professionally since 15 and has like 35 fights under his belt.

      And your reasoning is that he is "too green" for Cotto? I did not want to see this fight, but all this Cotto hype is making me want to see it happen. I do believe that Canelo would hammer him worse than Margarito did.....
      Carlos, you do realize that in boxing you are only as good as your opposition don't you?

      I understand Canelo's resume is good for a 20 year old fighter but just because he has 35 victories, has there been one against a fighter as good as Cotto?

      Not one and Cotto's resume is 10X better, I think you need to put the Mexican pride aside and just realize that he still needs time. It's the QUALITY of fighters you face, not the QUANTITY.

      Cotto isn't hype, he's beaten some of the best fighters in the world and he's an excellent boxer. Yes he's past it a little but he can still box with the best of them.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by CarlosG815 View Post
        You Puerto Rican's are relentless - almost as rabid as the Pinoy's.

        Miguel Cotto has not had an impressive performance in years. He got destroyed by Antonio Margarito, got destroyed by Manny Pacquiao, and put on terrible performances against Yuri Foreman and just recently Ricardo Mayorga.

        Face it, you nationalistic fanboys, Cotto is a stepping stone fighter. He is just enough of a name, and has fanboys like you who will watch him fight, and he's just enough of a draw to be put in against a guy like Alvarez and you guys won't know that it's a mismatch.

        Canelo doesn't have good defense. He doesn't move his head. But he throws a lot of punches, and he hits very hard. Cotto on the other hand does not hit very hard, and he doesn't throw many punches at all. Yuri Foreman (who isn't very good and has no power) was outboxing Cotto and even on one leg, Cotto could not finish him off, just like he could not finish off 38 year old 3 pack a day alcoholic Mayorga even after Mayorga was so gassed that he was almost falling over just from throwing a punch.

        That is your Puerto Rican idol. Miguel Cotto was just never that good to begin with, and I'm sorry if that offends you. I'm not saying it because he's Puerto Rican, as I have no bias and enjoy fighters of all races, religions, etc. It does not matter to me because I am a boxing fan. I will call a Mexican a bum when he's a bum and I'll call a Puerto Rican "not so good" when he's "not so good."

        Put your flag aside and watch Cotto fight as a boxing fan and not a Puerto Rican and you will see what I'm talking about.

        And Alvarez did beat the hell out of Hatton. Hatton had a wonderful performance in my view and isn't quite the bum that the commentators tried to make him out to believe, and he is not as bad as what people on boxingscene try to make it out to be.

        Cotto can not deal with pressure fighters who throw a lot of punches, and Alvarez hits harder than anybody that's he's fought.

        I like Cotto as a character, his persona is stone cold awesome but he is just not a top fighter, and despite his age, he is past it and when he goes up against elite fighters he will show how shot he is, as he did vs Pacquiao.
        Alvarez hits harder than Pacquiao? Than Mosley? GTFO Pacquaio would have destroyed Cotto's brother in half a round. Get real.

        Your entire post is riddled with ******ity.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502 View Post
          Carlos, you do realize that in boxing you are only as good as your opposition don't you?

          I understand Canelo's resume is good for a 20 year old fighter but just because he has 35 victories, has there been one against a fighter as good as Cotto?

          Not one and Cotto's resume is 10X better, I think you need to put the Mexican pride aside and just realize that he still needs time. It's the QUALITY of fighters you face, not the QUANTITY.

          Cotto isn't hype, he's beaten some of the best fighters in the world and he's an excellent boxer. Yes he's past it a little but he can still box with the best of them.
          Please do not confuse me with a nationalistic fan, as I am not. It is not because Alvarez is Mexican, it is that Cotto is just not good enough. Cotto's resume gets a little over rated with his best wins being Clottey and Shane Mosley, and then getting brutally beaten by other guys. Cotto is just very cautious and when you put him in with a big puncher like a Margarito or an Alvarez, he is going to get stomped. You can not tell me that after his last two fights that he is going to beat a young and hungry powerhouse like Canelo. I just do not see that happening, and I don't see the fight being very competitive, with Cotto just getting hammered. He is very easy to hit, as we saw how many power punches a bum like Mayorga landed on him.

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          • #35
            Much closer fight than I was thinking before this weekend. Cotto is a steady veteran, and Alvarez doesn't fight a style that would be that bad for Cotto. I think Cotto still wins, though tough.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Hallaqsillaq View Post
              Alvarez hits harder than Pacquiao? Than Mosley? GTFO Pacquaio would have destroyed Cotto's brother in half a round. Get real.

              Your entire post is riddled with ******ity.
              Why, because Cotto is your favorite fighter? And yes, Alvarez hits much harder than Pacquiao, is that a serious question? Mosley is debatable, I couldn't tell you that because I have always been a huge fan of Mosley's power, but no chance does Pacquiao hit harder than Saul. Pacquiao's looking impressive because of the type of competition he is fighting, and his great speed. His power is over rated, and if you're talking about the Hatton fight, Floyd was able to put him to sleep and he isn't exactly a bomb thrower.

              Pacquiao is not the knockout artist you believe him to be, he hasn't fought anybody since he left 126.

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              • #37
                I like Alvarez but Cotto is to much for him atm. He really needs to work on his defense and learn to jab more to set up his punches.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502 View Post
                  Carlos, you do realize that in boxing you are only as good as your opposition don't you?

                  I understand Canelo's resume is good for a 20 year old fighter but just because he has 35 victories, has there been one against a fighter as good as Cotto?

                  Not one and Cotto's resume is 10X better, I think you need to put the Mexican pride aside and just realize that he still needs time. It's the QUALITY of fighters you face, not the QUANTITY.

                  Cotto isn't hype, he's beaten some of the best fighters in the world and he's an excellent boxer. Yes he's past it a little but he can still box with the best of them.
                  I couldn't agree more....

                  Cotto can still definetely mix with the best, as I think his best days are past him, but he is still great in there, IF he beats Margo, what are the excuses going to be then? Can't say it was cuz of Pac cuz they both took beatings from him, so I just wish this fight was like tomorrow lol, good post though bro...

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by CarlosG815 View Post
                    Please do not confuse me with a nationalistic fan, as I am not. It is not because Alvarez is Mexican, it is that Cotto is just not good enough. Cotto's resume gets a little over rated with his best wins being Clottey and Shane Mosley, and then getting brutally beaten by other guys. Cotto is just very cautious and when you put him in with a big puncher like a Margarito or an Alvarez, he is going to get stomped. You can not tell me that after his last two fights that he is going to beat a young and hungry powerhouse like Canelo. I just do not see that happening, and I don't see the fight being very competitive, with Cotto just getting hammered. He is very easy to hit, as we saw how many power punches a bum like Mayorga landed on him.
                    You act as if Canelo isn't easy to hit. What happens when Cotto hits Canelo flush and at will?

                    You think his brother hurt him but Miguel can't??? Come on man, your not making valid points and are running in to dead ends at every turn with your argument.

                    Cotto isn't the same fighter he once was but he landed flush shots vs Marg, at will when he wanted. The difference is, Marg has a cast iron chin and was able to wear down Cotto.

                    You have no idea if Canelo can do the same, I don't think Canelo can take the shots Marg can. If Cotto's brother hurt him, Miguel can hurt him very easily.

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                    • #40
                      Terrible performance against mayorga and foreman??
                      If stopping them and losing no more than 2 rounds in each fight.

                      Cotto as a stepping stone??
                      I thought steping stone are suppose to lose.

                      Hatton is a notch below alfonso Gomez.

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