Martinez Belongs at 168

[DoktorSleepless]

I provided a link. He was 176 at the 30 day weigh in vs Williams II and 173 at the 30 day weigh in for Dzinziruk.

Froch Ward AA i doubt get to the 180's. Kessler perhaps Bute and Dirrell 182,183 yeah. Martinez would be at least 176-179 so where is the discrepancy?

That's not his hypocrisy. That's your hypocrisy. You're the one *****ing about Pacquiao being too small, but then you want Martinez to move up to super middleweight. Martinez has repeatedly stated he would understand completely if Pacquiao doesn't want the fight, but obviously he has to keep the possibility open since he'll never be #1 p4p without fighting the #1 p4p fighter. And as far as I know, no 168 pounder has called out Martinez yet so nobody can say he's dodging anyone. I personally would like him to move to 154 or 168. Doesn't matter to me.

I provided a link. He was 176 at the 30 day weigh in vs Williams II and 173 at the 30 day weigh in for Dzinziruk.

Froch Ward AA i doubt get to the 180's. Kessler perhaps Bute and Dirrell 182,183 yeah. Martinez would be at least 176-179 so where is the discrepancy?

When Martinez moved up to middleweight to fight Williams, he gained 2 pounds (164 to 166). Then 1 more pound for Pavlik. Then 1 more pound for Williams rematch. And finally another 2 more this fight. What makes you think he'll be 179 pounds when the most he ever gained is 2 pounds between fights? And how come you don't assume the same for Pacquiao? Why doesn't he have to gain weight if he were to fight at 154?

[THe TRiNiTY]

so you trying to defend Sergio going up in 168 lbs but not Pac? Pac had no business above 147 lbs but Sergio calling him out to fight him in 154 lbs?

I don't care who goes up or down in weight. I'm a fan of Mayweather, Martinez and Pacquiao. But the fact of the matter is that no one is forcing anyone to do anything. For DECADES, boxers have moved up to challenge the bigger man. Martinez could do this, but it wouldn't make financial sense. Manny could do this with Martinez, and it would make financial sense.

Robinson did it with Maxim. Leonard did it with Hagler. Different outcomes, but it still happens. All Martinez said was he wanted to fight the best. Didn't put a gun to Mayweather's or Pacquiao's head and demand a fight. Their choice.

For the record, I think if they were at 168, Martinez would fight them. It's not JUST about money, but it does come into the picture. You have to be logical.

isnt that suppose to make him GREAT though fighting bigger guys? prove that he is a worthy of p4p number 1? if you think Sergio is too small in a super middleweight we should know that Pac is way to small in 154 lbs because we saw him fighting above 147 lbs and he looks really small compare to Marg.

Pound for pound has little to do with fighting bigger guys. It means that if everyone was the same size, you'd be one of the best in this hypothetical division. Fighting bigger guys can help your case, but it's really not a prerequisite.

I think that Pac would be too small. I also think Martinez is too small for 168. But no one is forcing them to move up or down in weight. Their choice. The biggest fight for Martinez is with Mayweather or Pacquiao.

He said he was willing and for money reasons I'm sure, would like the fights. If he doesn't get those fights, I doubt he'll call them cowards. He'll just fight another Middleweight or Chavez Jr. or whoever the hell.

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I think 160 is a good natural weight for his height. He can make 168 and still be competitive, but he'll need to put extra work for the additional muscle. I don't think he needs to move up, but that's where he'd be FORCED to go if he can't find competition.

Pac's more like a 140 fighter. He looked drained at 135 against Diaz yet can't even make the 147 limit yet. He's hydrated to 149 lbs at most and walks around 152.

The haters that want this fight just want to see the 5 foot 6 P4P king get KO'd. Team Pacquiao made it clear before he beat Margarito that they'd be going back down to 147. Martinez wants the payday, limelight, and accolades before he retires. Can't blame him.

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Btw Froch only rehydrated 1 or 2 pounds for the Abraham fight. He said this in an interview when asked on his thoughts about Margarito outweighing Manny by 17 lbs.

[Khmelnytsky]

Then answer this... if Mayweather and Pacquiao can go for the money fights, why can't Martinez? They had advantages going into their big money fights. Why can't Martinez? He's getting up their and wants to go out with a big **** like they do. Why can't Martinez?

Theoretically, he could go up to 168. But, he'd be a shell of himself. He'd lose his snap, he'd get winded with the new weight and would have to take a bigger shot then he's used to. Williams dropped him, Dzinziruk buckled him. Why should he risk it at this point? He's earned the right like the other big names in the sport to try and get paid.

You seem to be claiming that fights at SMW would not be big money fights. That's absurd.

Williams dropped him lol

be a shell of his former self lol he wouldnt have to get any bigger for guys like Ward Froch AA as they're the same size. Putting on 5,7 lbs to close the gap against huge SMW's like Bute or Dirrell would not effect him like you claim.

you're too much. funny stuff though

That's not his hypocrisy. That's your hypocrisy. You're the one *****ing about Pacquiao being too small, but then you want Martinez to move up to super middleweight. Martinez has repeatedly stated he would understand completely if Pacquiao doesn't want the fight, but obviously he has to keep the possibility open since he'll never be #1 p4p without fighting the #1 p4p fighter. And as far as I know, no 168 pounder has called out Martinez yet so nobody can say he's dodging anyone. I personally would like him to move to 154 or 168. Doesn't matter to me.





When Martinez moved up to middleweight to fight Williams, he gained 2 pounds (164 to 166). Then 1 more pound for Pavlik. Then 1 more pound for Williams rematch. And finally another 2 more this fight. What makes you think he'll be 179 pounds when the most he ever gained is 2 pounds between fights? And how come you don't assume the same for Pacquiao? Why doesn't he have to gain weight if he were to fight at 154?

Martinez wants big money fights and has 2 options. Pacquiao or SMW's. He's okay calling out Pacquiao who is 25-30 lbs smaller but says he's to small to fight guys who are the same size (AA Froch Ward) or at most 10-15lbs heavier (Bute Dirrell)

Sergio's hypocrisy i'm only pointing it out.

for the third time - Iv provided links for Martinez's 176lb weight mid way through camp.

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martinez is a hypocrite.... he calls out guys 2 weight divisions lower, but refuses to move up to 168 lbs...

[Khmelnytsky]

Btw Froch only rehydrated 1 or 2 pounds for the Abraham fight. He said this in an interview when asked on his thoughts about Margarito outweighing Manny by 17 lbs.

Thanks for this. He's also talked about it in Fight Camp 360 i believe. Along with my Ward interview and looking at AA a small formwer MW that is half the Super 6 guys that weight the same as Martinez.

[THe TRiNiTY]

You seem to be claiming that fights at SMW would not be big money fights. That's absurd.

Williams dropped him lol

be a shell of his former self lol he wouldnt have to get any bigger for guys like Ward Froch AA as they're the same size. Putting on 5,7 lbs to close the gap against huge SMW's like Bute or Dirrell would not effect him like you claim.

you're too much. funny stuff though

Is this where you resort to trying to laugh at my post because you can't make a valid argument? I bet it is.

Regardless, Williams got him with an off balance shot that dropped him. Check the fight. Check Boxrec. Check anything. It happened. If this type of thing happened at Super Middleweight, he'd be behind the eight ball and outweighed. Brilliant.

Martinez wants big money fights and has 2 options. Pacquiao or SMW's. He's okay calling out Pacquiao who is 25-30 lbs smaller but says he's to small to fight guys who are the same size (AA Froch Ward) or at most 10-15lbs heavier (Bute Dirrell)

Sergio's hypocrisy i'm only pointing it out.

for the third time - Iv provided links for Martinez's 176lb weight mid way through camp.

Jesus, you're insane. It's not JUST about weight. It's how well you could carry ADDITIONAL weight. Do you understand the difference?

Ricky Hatton weighed 200 pounds in between fights. What is your point? De la Hoya ballooned up in between fights. How well did he do going up to Middleweight?

Pacquiao met his limit at 147. At 154, he had a tougher time. Martinez is great at 160, but has fought the majority of his career at 154. He's had a total of four fights at Middleweight and has weighed no more than 159 1/2 at the weigh in.

He rehydrated with natural weight. However, 168 pounders carry 168 pounds and then add the natural weight back. There's a HUGE difference. He would balloon up even more going up 8 pounds, then gain a few more pounds. They would be fighting at a natural weight.

Once again, show me where Martinez forced anyone to take a fight with him. Ever. It's never happened.

So, stop worrying about Pacquiao. He doesn't need to take the fight and I'd rather see both fight different people. But to suggest that Martinez HAS to move up is ******.

The money is at a lower weight. No one at 168 has even had a US PPV for Christ's sake.

[Seleção No. 13]

Thanks for this. He's also talked about it in Fight Camp 360 i believe. Along with my Ward interview and looking at AA a small formwer MW that is half the Super 6 guys that weight the same as Martinez.

Here's the source if anyone's interested. It comes with the actual audio interview.

http://www.eatthemushroom.com/mag/article.asp?id=1502&catID=6

His views on Manny Pacquiao’s recent victory against Antonio Margarito when he was outweighed by seventeen pounds on the day of the fight:

“Well they both made the weight the day before, so the fact that he was seventeen pounds heavier than him is insignificant. In fact, it’s a disadvantage. So to chuck that in the mix like it’s a big feat, I don’t think it is. I weighed 169 pounds when I fought Arthur Abraham. I weighed in at 168 the day before. Fighters at the top of the game that do the weight correctly are the best fighters in the world. The fact that Manny Pacquiao was a lot lighter is an advantage, not a disadvantage. But to answer your question, I just thought he was too fast, too skillful, punched too hard, and he had too much for Margarito. You know Margarito seemed to fade because he probably put so much weight on it showed how much he took off, and that’s why he faded after round five and six, and I think Manny Pacquiao went easy on him late.”

[DoktorSleepless]

You seem to be claiming that fights at SMW would not be big money fights. That's absurd.

Williams dropped him lol

be a shell of his former self lol he wouldnt have to get any bigger for guys like Ward Froch AA as they're the same size. Putting on 5,7 lbs to close the gap against huge SMW's like Bute or Dirrell would not effect him like you claim.

you're too much. funny stuff though



Martinez wants big money fights and has 2 options. Pacquiao or SMW's. He's okay calling out Pacquiao who is 25-30 lbs smaller but says he's to small to fight guys who are the same size (AA Froch Ward) or at most 10-15lbs heavier (Bute Dirrell)

Sergio's hypocrisy i'm only pointing it out.

for the third time - Iv provided links for Martinez's 176lb weight mid way through camp.

It would only be hypocrisy if he was calling Pacquiao a coward for not fighting him while saying he's too small for 168. Like I said though, Martinez has stated he would understand completely if Pacquiao didn't want the fight due to the size difference. He wants to be #1 p4p so it's no ****ing surprise that he wants the other top two p4p fighters. Again, this is your hypocrisy, not his.

Martinez has only weighted 176 with clothes and shoes (probably after a meal too). Also, he was probably carrying a little extra water weight that everyone loses as soon as they hit the gym. It's called glycogen.