To this point what is Jones' career defining/best win

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  • Bozo_no no
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    #61
    Originally posted by McKay
    Holmes was dominating Shavers sure as **** in that fight. He got hit with a Haymaker from one of the hardest hitters in boxing history, and he did not allow that fact to cause him to lose the fight. It is one of the things that define a "GREAT FIGHTER."

    You're being completly biased, and you're using one example like it's gospel.

    What if the ref had waived the fight off on Holmes without a count?

    Holmes was in worse shape after getting up from that than Lewis was when he was stopped by McCall.

    Each situation is different.

    The bottom line is that great fighters can get KO'd, and still be great fighters. It's the hurt business, and guys get knocked out and live to fight a great fight another day.

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      #62
      Originally posted by Bozo_no_no
      You're being completly biased, and you're using one example like it's gospel.

      What if the ref had waived the fight off on Holmes without a count?

      Holmes was in worse shape after getting up from that than Lewis was when he was stopped by McCall.

      Each situation is different.

      The bottom line is that great fighters can get KO'd, and still be great fighters. It's the hurt business, and guys get knocked out and live to fight a great fight another day.
      That is not the sole example of a great fighter who was winning a boxing match and got caught by a haymaker and came through it. I just use that particular fight as an example because it is one that has historical significance and many would be aware of.
      Last edited by The Troll; 09-13-2005, 12:05 AM.

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      • Bozo_no no
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        #63
        Originally posted by McKay
        That is not the sole example. Of a great fighter who was winning a boxing match and getting caught by a haymaker and coming back from it. I just use that particular fight as an example because it is one that many would be aware of.

        Great fighters lose fights by KO, and are still great fighters. It doesn't make them any less great than a guy that doesn't get stopped.

        Joe Louis was cold ****ed by Schmelling and came back to win another day.

        Joe Frazier was brutalized by Foreman,

        the list goes on and on.

        Do you even know what point it is that you're trying to make?

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          #64
          My point?

          A knockout is a knockout, unless its a bull**** stoppage, like Lyle vs Ali. Where Lyle did not go down and was not hurt at all.

          And you use Foreman Frazier as an example but everybody knows that George Foreman is possibly the biggest puncher in the history boxing. And Frazier's come forward style was costum made for him.

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            #65
            Originally posted by RunWithKnives
            Right. Plenty of flash knockdowns, and half slips. Judah was never seriously hurt, just off balance or stunned. Millet hit him with a decent shot, but a flash KD.
            bozo, tahts what i was responding to, rwk also said that zoo his himi with a lucky shot, and that was my response

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              #66
              Originally posted by Bozo_no_no
              Unlike Wlad he got up to win?

              lol.
              yeah, it was awesome, the way he got up against zoo so quickly...


              he got up to win, thats great, judah is a good fighter, im not denying that, but his chin is weak, thats my point

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                #67
                Originally posted by PBF34
                yeah, it was awesome, the way he got up against zoo so quickly...


                he got up to win, thats great, judah is a good fighter, im not denying that, but his chin is weak, thats my point

                And it's a poor point.

                Because of the times he's been down, the only time he was hurt and stopped was agaisnt the an all time great 140lber who's a great puncher.

                Otherwise he's suffered a few flash KD's, and has beat some hard hitting fighters that he wouldn't have if he had a weak chin.

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                  #68
                  would you rather i say he has weak legs and a suspect chin???
                  i believe thats more accurate than exxagurating and saying he has a glass chin

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by PBF34
                    would you rather i say he has weak legs and a suspect chin???
                    i believe thats more accurate than exxagurating and saying he has a glass chin

                    You can call it whatever you like, it's clear you have an agenda.

                    Judah's been stopped once, by a hard punching all time great 140lber, and outside of that has suffered a few flash knock downs.

                    His chin isn't as weak as you're making it out to be.

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                      #70
                      jones' best win is against james toney imo

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