if these fighters retired today which ones if any would make the hall of fame

[IronDanHamza]

I agree with The Ring and disagree with you on that one, even though cyberboxingzone agrees with you.

When Shane fought Marg, I didn't consider it to be for the lineal title for the same reasons The Ring's ratings panel voted against it - see here.

As far as I'm concerned when Cotto and Margarito fought the rankings where as so;

Cotto
Williams
Margarito

However, Williams had a fight signed at 154 before Cotto and Margarito fought and hasn't returned since. Thus in essence meaning the #1 fought the #2 for the Lineage.

To which Margarito won. To which Shane won.

[oc9979]

Plus he got battered from pillar to post in his career defying fight.

He was considered #1 by default.

When he fought Margarito for the Lineage he lost.

That short spell is the only time he has been considered #1 in a respective weight class.

by default or not he was still #1, He had a win over 3 top 10 WW at the time. I dont even think anyone in the top 10 at the time had more than a win over a top 10.

As far as I'm concerned when Cotto and Margarito fought the rankings where as so;

Cotto
Williams
Margarito

However, Williams had a fight signed at 154 before Cotto and Margarito fought and hasn't returned since. Thus in essence meaning the #1 fought the #2 for the Lineage.

To which Margarito won. To which Shane won.

So that means that Mayweather has it now

[DR.ORGYY]

cotto and judah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Dave Rado]

As far as I'm concerned when Cotto and Margarito fought the rankings where as so;

Cotto
Williams
Margarito

However, Williams had a fight signed at 154 before Cotto and Margarito fought and hasn't returned since. Thus in essence meaning the #1 fought the #2 for the Lineage.

To which Margarito won. To which Shane won.

When Mosley fought Marg, Cotto was ranked #2. Mosley was ranked #3.

[Earl-Hickey]

why should cotto be in the hof? he lost all of his biggest fights

[IronDanHamza]

by default or not he was still #1, He had a win over 3 top 10 WW at the time. I dont even think anyone in the top 10 at the time had more than a win over a top 10.



So that means that Mayweather has it now

The point is he has never been Lineal Champion, though.

However I agree with you default or not being considered #1 even though brief is still a good feat.

I just don't think it's enough to be considered a HOF'er personally.

Yes, that would mean Mayweather has it now.

[Dave Rado]

by default or not he was still #1,

He was only ranked #1 for one fight. That's a hell of a short time to be ranked #1.

So that means that Mayweather has it now

Most consider Mayweather to be the current lineal champ. Some, including The Ring, still consider the lineal title to be vacant.

[IronDanHamza]

When Mosley fought Marg, Cotto was ranked #2. Mosley was ranked #3.

But Margarito and Cotto just fought for the Lineage as with Paul Williams vacating to go to Jr Middleweight they were the #1 and #2.

Thus making Margarito the Lineal Champion when he fought Shane.

[Deeznuts]

Pavlik overall

[Dave Rado]

But Margarito and Cotto just fought for the Lineage as with Paul Williams vacating to go to Jr Middleweight they were the #1 and #2.

Thus making Margarito the Lineal Champion when he fought Shane.

Oh sorry, I see what you mean. But Williams did not plan to move to Jr Middleweight, he only signed that fight at Jr Middleweight because he couldn't get a meaningful fight at Welterweight at the time. He had every intention of fighting at Welterweight again. In September that year he tried to make a fight with Clottey but HBO refused to fund it. He also tried to get fights with several other Welters around then but only Clottey was interested. Then Williams offered Margarito $4 million to fight him in January 2010, but Marg turned it down in order to fight Mosley for $2.6 million instead, which was a clear duck. So I don't consider Williams really left the division until after Jan 2010 - and certainly not as early as the Cotto-Marg fight.