Cotto vs. Pacquiao 2 at 154 or Pac-JMM 3 at 147

[MaD RoBoT]

Make it at 140lbs, or don't make it all. Even at 140lbs, JMM is way above his natural weight class.

140 or 147 is fine

but it's not like Pac will have a huge size advantage over JMM

[Danny Gunz]

Who is saying that their styles are similar? What i am saying is cotto would loose to both. And again one is fighting the best 154 pounder and is expected to have a tought fight while the other guy is fighting bum who he is supposed to blow out. I cant see how you could be impresed if cotto koed mayorga when that is expected.

I said this weekend should be a good indicator of where both fighters are. I didnt say I would be impressed if Cotto ko'd Mayorga. But if Cotto struggles with Mayorga then that is an indicator that he is most likely done. Or if Sergio blows out Sergei then that is an indicator that he is probably the real deal.

Exactly. A lot of Cotto love in this thread. It's not exactly a forgone conclusion that Martinez would beat Cotto, of course not. But it *is* about 80/20 in Martinez's favor if you ask me. Cotto went life and death with Clottey FFS! Let's be real here!

Its not exactly Cotto love, we are just giving him his due credit. His resume is top notch and he has shown he can take down the top guys in divisions. He is a great boxer and has proven he can deal with speed. He is young, has a new trainer, and is at a comfortable weight. People are really sleeping on him to make a comeback.

[theplayerpimp]

I said this weekend should be a good indicator of where both fighters are. I didnt say I would be impressed if Cotto ko'd Mayorga. But if Cotto struggles with Mayorga then that is an indicator that he is most likely done. Or if Sergio blows out Sergei then that is an indicator that he is probably the real deal.



Its not exactly Cotto love, we are just giving him his due credit. His resume is top notch and he has shown he can take down the top guys in divisions. He is a great boxer and has proven he can deal with speed. He is young, has a new trainer, and is at a comfortable weight. People are really sleeping on him to make a comeback.

You said that if cotto boxed well and koed mayorga and martinez struggled, which both are big possible scenarios, that you would stand by your position which is cotto would win. Martinez is fighting top guy after top guy while arum is protecting cotto till the money fight againts margs

[Danny Gunz]

You said that if cotto boxed well and koed mayorga and martinez struggled, which both are big possible scenarios, that you would stand by your position which is cotto would win. Martinez is fighting top guy after top guy while arum is protecting cotto till the money fight againts margs

Cotto has showed me many times over the years that he is a good boxer, I know he can box good he just needs to show me he can take care of business like expected.

I have my doubts that Martinez can handle a good boxer though, this fight will be a good indicator if he can.

[theplayerpimp]

Cotto has showed me many times over the years that he is a good boxer, I know he can box good he just needs to show me he can take care of business like expected.

I have my doubts that Martinez can handle a good boxer though, this fight will be a good indicator if he can.

He hasnt been in there with many boxers but still the size diffrence would be too much and add in sergios punching power plus speed and cotto will have problems. Plus i dont think cottos chin is what it used to be after the two beatings he took.

[Danny Gunz]

He hasnt been in there with many boxers but still the size diffrence would be too much and add in sergios punching power plus speed and cotto will have problems. Plus i dont think cottos chin is what it used to be after the two beatings he took.

Sergio is big but he also will be very weak at 154, remember he was having a hard time making 157 against Williams. Along with that Martinez is what 36 now?

Cotto has been able to handle faster fighters before and he has a great jab. Sergio's movement might cause problems but Cotto is good at chasing fighters and setting up punches.

Obviously Martinez could get a KO he has sneaky power. And honestly I would favor Sergio over Cotto it just isnt fair to write him off so easily.

[crises069]

I agree with Tony the Tiger. Pac even fought Cotto, the champion at the time, at a catch weight. Pac should at least meet in the middle for Marquez since Marquez is a not only a p4p great, but one of the best boxers of this generation and the first two fights were way too close.

Cotto, for his sake, should avoid Pac. Clean up the 154 division like a real champ. I think he would man handle anyone in that division besides Alvarez However, we all know that fight would never happen anyway because of the fan-agonizing Top Rank, Golden Boy rift.

[joelab75]

i had no prob with Pac-JMM at 147, they're both blown up featherweights anyway

it doesn't matter what division they fight, JMM would still pose problems for Pac stylistically

only difference is Pac can carry his power at 147 while JMM cannot, however that doesn't mean that JMM would lose to any 147 fighter today

but then again, JMM has tasted Pac's power at least in lower weights but still got up & won rounds against him

stop living in the past man! its 2011..JMM wont last for 12 rounds. if you watch the fight in 2008 and watch Pac's fight against Margarito, CLottey and Cottey you'd see a lot has changed. his footwork is awesome. he can move around while throwing punches. Pac didnt do that against Marquez. Pac was basically trading punches against Marquez for 12 rounds.

i feel sorry for JMM if Pac agree to fight him again. 140 lbs or 147 lbs wont make any difference. JMM will come in fight night at 144 lbs which is his ideal weight and Pac will be around that weight too.

[MaD RoBoT]

stop living in the past man! its 2011..JMM wont last for 12 rounds. if you watch the fight in 2008 and watch Pac's fight against Margarito, CLottey and Cottey you'd see a lot has changed. his footwork is awesome. he can move around while throwing punches. Pac didnt do that against Marquez. Pac was basically trading punches against Marquez for 12 rounds.

i feel sorry for JMM if Pac agree to fight him again. 140 lbs or 147 lbs wont make any difference. JMM will come in fight night at 144 lbs which is his ideal weight and Pac will be around that weight too.

Margarito & Clottey were basically punching bags & JMM is hell of a lot different & better than those 2

like i said, i believe Pac will win but he'll not blitzkrieg his way to victory

JMM is good at adapting & still would pose problems for Pac

[AFighter4U]

Margarito & Clottey were basically punching bags & JMM is hell of a lot different & better than those 2

like i said, i believe Pac will win but he'll not blitzkrieg his way to victory

JMM is good at adapting & still would pose problems for Pac

its hard to say. if we're assuming that both pac and marquez stepped up their game at the same rate, then yes, stylistically, Marquez would give Pac serious problems.

but while Pac has added some new tricks to his arsenal and adjusted quite well at 147, i cannot truly say the same about marquez.

in other words, the marquez of 2011 is just the same marquez at 2008, just at a higher weight class.

marquez would most likely pose some interesting puzzle for Pac, but from my point of view, Pac has the SIGNIFICANT advantage at 140 and more so at 147.