Canelo's Age Should no Longer be an Excuse.

[jrosales13]

lol still comparing Canelo (20 years old) to Berto(27 years old) and WV2 (26 years old)

No, not at all...I'm comparing him to his fellow title holders

Which is a true comparison.

We don't compare by age.

We compare by level.

Greats
Elite
P4Ps
title holders/contenders
journeyaman
prospects
fringe contenders
tomato cans
stepping stones
bums


Alvares is no longer a prospect, he's a title holder/contender now. He should have the same standards and be compared with his fellow title holder/contenders.

[SCtrojansbaby]

You'd be the very same person comparing Canelo's accomplishments at "just 20 years old!" to Berto's at 27.

WRONG I don't compare prospects to contenders/champions

[Bierstadt]

******* is a helluva drug.

Either you think he should go against his team or he isn't in charge can be both

Either Canelo is in charge or he's an idiot pawn with no brain of his own.

Like it or not, Alvarez must approve of his opponent. Would he agree to face Martinez right now if Oscar told him to? I hope so, but probably not cause he's looking out for his own a$$ as well, thus Hatton. Did he not make weight and then not even attempt to drop the excess because Oscar advised him to? If the case, then I lost some respect for him.

[theplayerpimp]

lol @ you....

ahh.....OK...What makes Kirkland elite and not Trout?

LOL @ picking and choosing Cotto's opponent why ignore the rest of his resume? Just curios.

Again why didn't you mention a Mexican fighter? Because, most are familiar?

lol @ bringing up Moreno again...You really want to talk about Moreno again? What offer is on the table right now? What offer just tell me? The man wanted to join the bantamweight tournament and was turned down because they couldn't make it work with 5 and top rank didn't want neither of his guys joining the tournament. And, Hasegawa didn't want to join unless Montiel joined. So Moreno being the 5ht beetle was sent packing.

Why doesn't he seek out the best challenges? Questions like these, is a reason why I don't like talking about the best division in boxing. Because, some people are so uneducated in the division that they just talk out of their ass.

Not only did Moreno seek out the best possible challenges. But, fought whoever wanted to fight him at their backyard. That is how you know somebody is willing to fight anybody anywhere.

Debate is ******. Cong**** to Canelo, happy for him. He won me some money...Good ****. Is a true bonafide star, ticket seller. Has a bright future.

I'm not even criticizing the kid. However, it all depend son where he goes from here on out. Because, he's no longer a prospect.

So he can go the Berto/WV2 route or the route of a champion. Is his choice.

bc he has shown the skill of any body at that weight. most people here would pick kirkland over any 154 pounder. And i am pointing out their tittle reign bc that is what you are talking about canelo and the route he should take. You cant compare the two based of resume or their previous tittle reign bc canelo has barely begun to enter contention. Why do you care who i mention i am giving examples of the elites. Lets marquez has fought great fighters recently so has segura so has montiel those are the top mexican fighters. Sure i could mention guys like miranda who just fought a bum or soto who fought a bum or bass who is bum with a tittle but they are irelevant bc they are not elites maybe soto is.
so why does every have to give him a contract why doesnt he get his manager or who ever represents him to go look to the other tittle holder to unify or offer up and comer fighter a chance. He has been a title holder for a while and he could of done but yet hasnt. Props for the cermeno fight that was a challenge but that has been few and between.

[jrosales13]

******* is a helluva drug.

Either you think he should go against his team or he isn't in charge can be both

I think your reading comprehension is not up to par.

Whatever his team decides, it will fall under Alvarez. He's the only one in the ring. So it all falls under him. Can nobody make a movie on his behalf without him giving some kind of a green light, why do you think that is?

Do you even know what sparked this convo? Or did you just walk in the middle of a back and forth and decided to throw you 2 cents in without really knowing what the discussion was truly about?

[Bierstadt]

WRONG I don't compare prospects to contenders/champions

Who exactly is the prospect here?

Both Canelo and Berto are technically champions now.

[jai mari078]

If he wasn't ready then he shouldn't have gone after the World title.

Not that he's a World title, even though he's not the lineal champ, just a paper. He now has to act like a true champ and fight top contenders.

Is not only, is all these title holders. Being 20 is not an excuse anymore. He will be held to the SAME standards as the rest of the title holders.

He didn't ask for the title shot, as Roy Jones pointed out. It was given to him, and why would you turn the opportunity to fight for a world tiltle. You don't. No fighter would, and if they say they would they are full of ****. He can't be blamed for acceoting a title shot.

He took the opportunity that was given to him. I think he sould continue to step up the competition, but regardless if people like it or not HE IS STILLONLY 20!!! He is not ready for the elite names of the divsion and just because certain people wanna see it, doesn't mean that's what needs to happen.

His people still need to be smart with him and not rush him along. That's exaxctly what ruined Vargas's career. He was pushed to fast to soon.

[SCtrojansbaby]

No, not at all...I'm comparing him to his fellow title holders

Which is a true comparison.

We don't compare by age.

We compare by level.

Greats
Elite
P4Ps
title holders/contenders
journeyaman
prospects
fringe contenders
tomato cans
stepping stones
bums


Alvares is no longer a prospect, he's a title holder/contender now. He should have the same standards and be compared with his fellow title holder/contenders.

A title is a promotional tool THAT IS IT. What is so hard to understand?

Who exactly is the prospect here?

Both Canelo and Berto are technically champions now.

Technically that means nothing

[jai mari078]

People that wanna see him be pushed to fast to soon are just haters that wanna see him lose so they can say " I told you so". He already has all the mechanics and composure for his young age of a veteran fighter. Whty would his team push to fast and ruin him before he is ready. Yes step up the competition but he is not ready for the elite of the division yet.

If they play his carrer smart we could see the beginning of a young prospect turn into a great fighter.

[jrosales13]

bc he has shown the skill of any body at that weight. most people here would pick kirkland over any 154 pounder. And i am pointing out their tittle reign bc that is what you are talking about canelo and the route he should take. You cant compare the two based of resume or their previous tittle reign bc canelo has barely begun to enter contention. Why do you care who i mention i am giving examples of the elites. Lets marquez has fought great fighters recently so has segura so has montiel those are the top mexican fighters. Sure i could mention guys like miranda who just fought a bum or soto who fought a bum or bass who is bum with a tittle but they are irelevant bc they are not elites maybe soto is.
so why does every have to give him a contract why doesnt he get his manager or who ever represents him to go look to the other tittle holder to unify or offer up and comer fighter a chance. He has been a title holder for a while and he could of done but yet hasnt. Props for the cermeno fight that was a challenge but that has been few and between.

OK sure, if you so man you win. I give up

Apparently you don't read or comprehend when I said that Moreno tried to get in the bantamweight tournament but a 5 man tournament would work.

But, whatever...

I mean you can compare title holder reign or first title also since it's Canelo first title reign.

Who has Kirkland beat at 154 to make him elite? And, how long ago was that?

But, OK man. This is my last reply...You win, I give up. Canelo is the man everybody else that you mention is whack I get it. Have a good one.