Prime Ali vs Prime Wlad

[cupocity303]

Would be interesting Wlad can't fight on this inside.. i honestly feel Tyson/Fraizer would knock him out bobing and weaving getting in close..

Not sure about Ali though

This is a intellectually dishonest remark.

Saying that Wlad can't fight on the inside is like saying that Mike Tyson/Frazier can't fight on the outside. Of course they can't, they're 5'11 guys who have adopted a style most effective against bigger men.

Equally, Wlad is a 6'7 guy, do you really expect a tall man like that to get on the inside??? Even Teddy Atlas just last night on ESPN FNF, remarked that it isn't smart for the 6'0 tall Lightweight to punch to the body so much and give up his Height. (The 6'0 guy fought the 41 year old Freddie Norwood, who beat JMM years ago).

Do you really expect a man with the reach of Wlad to fight on inside? NO, what he did is perfect his boxing on the outside. Not only has he made it difficult for fighters to get to the inside, BUT even more difficult to stay there. Frazier may get in, but can he stay in when a 6'7 guys grabs a hold of him. Certainly Wlad won't be doing the Rope-A-Dope - letting Mike Tyson and Frazier pound on him while against the ropes.

[theghost#1]

Hard to say it al depends. Wlad is just so much bigger and stronger then Ali, And add speed to his arsenal and he would be very hard to beat, But if any can do it it would be Ali.

[cupocity303]

For those that doubt Ali would knock out Wladimir, imagine how tired Wlad would be after trying to hit Ali for 12 rounds, then imagine how the 13th,
14th, and 15th round would go for a fighter that has never gone that far.

This is a rather vague remark, without much thought.

What you're automatically presuming is that Wlad would be just another opponent throwing and throwing windmakers at Ali, wearing himself out. HE WOULDN'T.

If we're talking about a prime Wlad Klitschko, which is Post-Sanders and Brewster, the guy who has learned to not waste unnecessary energy and adopted a Conservation of Energy type style, then he would do just fine. He'd use his jab as a range finder like he did against Ibragimov - who while not Ali-calibre was a guy moving around.

He'd still throw one right hand at a time. He wouldn't be flat-footed, coming forward chasing Ali. He would still be moving back and forth, with his feet spread apart. Wouldn't get tired at all, especially when he has got a moving target that isn't letting him unload combinations.

Now maybe you're talking about a Past-prime Ali, and are hoping for a Foreman-Ali type scenario, with Wlad pounding on Ali against the ropes for 10 rounds and wearing himself out. He still wouldn't unload the amateurish punches like Big George (which Ali himself referred to as a Mummy style).

[SlickTurtle]

Any eastern european HW brutally crushes the very overrated african-american Muhammad Ali.

Wlad is too fast, too strong, too athletic, too powerful, too skilled for the slow ass plodding punching bag Ali.

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Seriously, Ali would outbox Wlad

easy UD..

but that dumbass SteelHammer2011 probably thinks Wlad could KO Jesus, outbox a tank, swim on land, take on the whole U.S Army..

****in' hell

[cupocity303]

Basic knowledge, it takes far more energy to miss a punch than to land one.
It also drains a fighter to chase another fighter especially one with 20X faster feet than you.

Also Remember Wlad has had endurance problems in the past, or did you think Brewster was that good?

I'm glad you brought the Brewster fight up. Care to get into specifics of that fight?

If you get into specifics, you'd see that Wlad was trying to be to slick, throwing fast combination, bouncing around like Lighter weight fighter. HE WAS BUSTIN Brewster up but wore himself out. Those were not endurance problems, those were BIG-MAN PROBLEMS. He isn't meant to throw that many punches per round to achieve the same results, that he does today with far less punches.

He has corrected that problem and is dominating and getting fighters out of there to this day. In fast less exciting fashion (sometimes called cowardly) but as effective as ever, nonetheless.

[cupocity303]

Ali stop every big puncher he has ever faced and was never KO'd..Ali beats Wlad and his brother they are too robtic to beat Ali..

"Too robotic to beat Ali".

What a simpleton statement, if I ever heard one.

I suppose George Foreman was also robotic, certainly according to Ali he was. Since he called him a Mummy.

But could George Foreman dominate fighters for 12 rounds straight just with a jab, basic technical fundamentals and Moderate footwork? Don't worry, I'll answer. NO, he couldn't.

[cupocity303]

Ali beat better fighters then Wlad,so why would this be a nightmare??Foreman,Shavers,Liston,Norton just to name a few

Why are they better fighters?

What's your criteria for this statement, beside automatically assuming that they're better because they're from the 1970's?

Give it some serious thought, and get back to me.

[SplitSecond]

Would be interesting Wlad can't fight on this inside.. i honestly feel Tyson/Fraizer would knock him out bobing and weaving getting in close..

Not sure about Ali though

wlad holds, pulls your head down w/e, he's twice as good at tieing up than ali, who when he learned is what helped him win over fraizer, now ali aint nowhere as good as wlad tieing up, and wlad's height would make it even easier for him to just pull fraziers head down with enough pressure that nothing would happen in the inside

you cant beat wlad from the inside

[cupocity303]

Please Ali, very easy work! Wlad hasn't even beaten anybody as good as Ken Norton.

I usually don't get into Ad-Hominem Attacks, but in your case, I'll make an exception.

Your comment wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that your loaction says Inglewood, California (as black populace as it gets) and your signature of Black fighters. If the Klitschko extremists in this thread (who seem like White supremacists) are bad, then you're as equally bad on the opposite side of the spectrum. You are a black Zealot. Take your Black Liberation Theology subscribing ass on outta here, because nobody wants to hear it.

Ken Norton? Please. Ali hasn't faced anything with the attributes of Wlad Klitschko (Size, Skill, long range Jab). How bout' that?

[Spray_resistant]

Ali didn't have the style to trouble him, Wlad UD maybe late stoppage.