Where do the Klitschko brothers rank all time right NOW

[jimmy1569]

Well I look at their common opponents to decide who is the greater fighter.

Sam Peter: Vitali
Corrie Sanders: Vitali
Ross Puritty: Vitali
Chris Byrd: Wladimir

Best fighter faced: Lennox Vitali

I think Vitali protects Wladimir from dangerous punchers. Their alliance is a practice of comparative advantage where each brother specializes in a certain type of style to maximize overall success.

I think Vitali could survive without Wlad, but Wlad would be out of boxing if he didnt have a 6'8 guardian angel to protect him.

There might be something in that as Vitali has taken 3 punchers that knocked down Vitali about 7 times in Peter..Sanders & Puritty & completely dominated them with vicious beatdowns. Those fighters know the difference between the 2 brothers..this i assure you. You mess with Wlad..you're messing with Vitali more. Vitali lets Wlad take care of the featherfisters who beat him on shoulder misshaps. No need for Vitali to be bothered with that.

[jimmy1569]

FACTS about Vitalimir Klitschko

- All Time Great and Hall Of Famer.

- There is no blueprint to beat him.

- He is unbeatable.

- He has dominated every opponent he has ever faced.

- Has never been behind on the scorecards.

- Has great defense and an iron chin, never been down.

- 87 KOs in 96 wins, greatest heavyweight champ KO% of all time.

- Only man ever to be world heavyweight champ in boxing and kickboxing.

Greatest fighter of all time.


Next Victim: Zeus

This is funny ****... only thing is you're ONLY taking strengths of one fighter & adding it to the other without adding the weaknesses into play..

Keeping it real.. Vitalimir Klitschko is 96-5 = 95% winning percetage
87 KO'S in 101 fights = 86% Ko ratio...... Scorecard ratio in about 500 rds fought = Approximately 90%.. TRANSLATION no more than 50 rds lost.

As you can see Vitalimir Klitshko.... taking the SAME exact strengths of each brother is just as dominating than adding to the other's weakness like you're doing with Vitalimir Klitschko.... Both EVEN with THERE weaknesses still have the most dominant numbers in heavyweight history>>> kapish!~

[jimmy1569]

Freakin......91% of Klitschko W'S are KO'S ( best ever) & yET they manage to bore the entire arena.... i need to rethink the definition of what logical means because apparently... i'm boring everyone here myself with my unprecedented wit & numbers game.. Think about how idiotic you haters are when these guys are so good..they're essentially knocking you with jabs whenever they feel like taking you out. My mother taught me that whenever you become too dominant for the masses they will find some way to tear you down..even labeling your complete dominance as boring to the point where they're demanding you get quicker knockouts.. they're even admitting how great you are by stating you could do even better... priceless... keep on hating you guys.. I SEE RIGHT THRU IT ALL!

[Poet682006]

FACTS about Vitali Klitschko:

- He grew a vagina on his face

Wow! You mean you finally admit he has a puzzy? :hypnotised9:

Poet

[hweightblogger]

Vitali has stopped a lot of fighters who were never stopped by anyone else

But Wlad even more so. In fact of the 78 heavyweight world champs that lived to date Wlad holds the record for unKOed KOs (I excluded opponents who had less than 12 fights at the time of the bout for all of the stats in this post). No world champ has KOed more previously unKOed opponents than Wladimir Klitschko.

In fact, when you run all kinds of "difficult opponents statistics" (southpaws, previously unbeaten opponents, non-bums, heavier-than-self opponents etc) Wlad SPECIALIZES in beating difficult opponents. There is no other heavyweight world champ (except Roy Jones Jr) who would have such a good record as Wlad.

For example Lennox and Tyson ducked all southpaws while Wlad is the heavyweight champ (with RJJ) with the most southpaws faced.

and has taken 5 "0"s (Johnson, Mahone, Arreola, Belinski, Hoffman). He's beaten 6 world titleholders. But overall I think Wlad has a better resume, largely because Vitali wasn't fighting for 4 years.

Wlad has defeated 9 world titleholders (Peter X2, Byrd X2, Brewster, Ibragimov, Chagaev, Mercer, Rahman) and has the most WBO and IBF HW title defenses in history. He's also taken more "0"s than Vitali with 7 (Brock, Chagaev, Peter, Castillo, Ibragimov, Vujecic, Shaheed).

Wlad took 7 "0"s. Lennox 4. The Clay took 3. Of all the 78 champs only RJJ (8) and Larry Holmes (11) have more.

In fact, I ran all kinds of stats and Wlad is always at the top. All in all you won't find a heavyweight with better stats in so many categories than Wlad. Wlad never fails in any statistic.

Wlad will be going for his 50th KO next time out. Nearly all of those have come against fighters with winning records, and at least 15-20 were against fighters who had never been stopped before.

I just ran the numbers for the 78 world champs. If you define a streak of "4 wins in the last 4 fights" as winning streak (I guess that's a reasonable number) Wlad has KOed more "winning streakers" (19) than any other heavyweight champ in the history of boxing.

The runner up is Joe Louis (18), The Clay (17) and RJJ (15). But as everyone knows the records of The Clay, J.Lo and RJJ are padded with CakaH-weights, thus Wlad's lead is even more impressive.

Even Lennox (10), Evan Fields (11), Tyson (14), Foreman (9) and Holmes (12) don't play in the same league, especially considering that Wlad is still boxing.

If you count together all winning streaks at bout of all opponents (in 200x2 fights) then Wladimir Klitschko (streak sum 305) has accumulated more streaks than the runner up Larry Holmes (291), Vitali Klitschko (172), Lennox Lewis (231), Muhammad Ali (233), Mike Tyson (241), George Foreman (215), Evander Holyfield (191).

Again this underlines the quality of Wladimir Klitschko compared to past-time boxers.

[Poet682006]

I suck Wlad's raisin sized balls

Ah! I see Frankenfvctard aka KNN has a new alt :loser9:

[hweightblogger]

Freakin......91% of Klitschko W'S are KO'S ( best ever)

It's 92% and it's not best ever. Frank Bruno has 95%.

But Bruno KOed sub-200 opponents.

Once you delete sub-200 opponents, Wins by DQ, fights that ended due to an unintentional headbutt, and NC/ND, and champs who had less than TEN 200+ fights (since 1 KO in 1 fights equals 100% KOratio) the top KOers amongst the world champs are:
**))

But a far better statistic than KOratio is "Rounds needed per KO" because that includes the SPEED of the KO.

[Joeyzagz]

But Wlad even more so. In fact of the 78 heavyweight world champs that lived to date Wlad holds the record for unKOed KOs (I excluded opponents who had less than 12 fights at the time of the bout for all of the stats in this post). No world champ has KOed more previously unKOed opponents than Wladimir Klitschko.

Dubious stat considering the era we're in.

The reason Joe Louis's 66-3 and Marciano's 49-0 were so impressive is because it was done in an era where everyone fought everyone else. Clean records like those were hard to come by.

Today, everyone is either undefeated or with only 1 loss.

Adamek
Haye
Boystov
Unistov
Chisora
Dimentrenko
Solis
Povetkin
Chagaev
Ibragimov

In the 40's these guys would be fighting EACH other, before even stepping to the champ. There 0 would be long gone by the time they earned a shot.

Wlad has been KO'd more than the majority of the ATGs. Only Tyson and Johnson have been laid out more.

[hweightblogger]

Dubious stat considering the era we're in.

The reason Joe Louis's 66-3 and Marciano's 49-0 were so impressive is because it was done in an era where everyone fought everyone else.

You got it the other way around:
Fighting more in those eras means that the opposition was worse because one can only have a record of 200+ fights if the majority of opponents consisted of C- and D- level opponents.

Thus 49-0 in such eras is far less impressive than 49-0 in our era.

If everybody fights everybody then 49-0 now would be equivalent to maybe 120-5 (or so) THEN.

However your post made me think (well done, JoeySuckZ) thus I checked how experienced (= how many fights at time of the bout) the median opponent was of J.Lo and The Clay etc..

Wladimir Klitschko: Opponents' median experience: 31
Lennox Lewis: 31
The Clay: 35
Vitali Klitschko: 29
Mike Tyson: 26
George Foreman: 27
Mack/Marciano: 29
J.Lo: 53
Holmes: 23

Thus, no, previous eras were not much better in terms of opponents' experience (except for J.Lo).

Now let's check what the actual REAL HEAVYWEIGHT experience of opponents was (since no one cares about LHW experience or so) (yes, I checked 130'000+ fights for you, JoeySuckZ):

Wladimir Klitschko: Opponents' median experience (200x2): 24
Vitali Klitschko: 25
Lennox: 25
The Clay: 9
Tyson: 19
George Foreman: 10
Mack/Marciano: 0
J.Lo: 0
Larry Holmes: 11

In other words: The experience of opponents of Clay, Mack, J.Lo was pretty worthless in terms of what we consider heavyweight now. Most of their opponents had mainly cruiser experience, LHW experience or below.

In terms of experience in real heavyweight fights Wlad's average opponent is more than twice as experienced as Larry Holmes' opponent and approximately thrice as experienced as The Clay's opponent.

[BigStereotype]

FACTS about Vitalimir Klitschko

- All Time Great and Hall Of Famer.

- There is no blueprint to beat him.

- He is unbeatable.

- He has dominated every opponent he has ever faced.

- Has never been behind on the scorecards.

- Has great defense and an iron chin, never been down.

- 87 KOs in 96 wins, greatest heavyweight champ KO% of all time.

- Only man ever to be world heavyweight champ in boxing and kickboxing.

Greatest fighter of all time.


Next Victim: Zeus

Vitalimir WOULD actually be a top tenner, though, at least h2h wise.