If Andre Berto KO Victor Ortiz will you give him any credit?

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i dont know if the guy is intentionally avoiding the elites or his promoter lacks the brains to get him the good fights.. im not defending the dude but to get to super star status i guess you have to start with fighting bums.. but he's like 27 fights already right? but i see him trying his best to find good opposition. i dont think ortiz is a pushover, not an elite, but not a bum. JW? i guess. but a big JW who could easily be a ww. but what do i know these are just opinionis haha. i think the quitana win wasnt bad as well. urango not bad too. mediocre resume but you cant say he fought bums.

the quintana win wasn't bad, but he needs to stop fighting jr WWs and guy like fernandez. why didn't he fight aydin his mando?

tired of this bull***** from berto.

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If you don't give Berto credit for KOing Ortiz, there is really few fights in boxing that you'll give anybody credit for.

why?

1) ortiz has been stopped by a jr WW

2) ortiz is a quitter

3) ortiz isn't a WW

Berto-Ortiz is legit.

how so? ortiz isn't even ranked at WW.

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Yes. I would give Berto full credit for KO'ing Ortiz.

Now if this happens realize that Berto will not get credit for it from most Boxing fans, because of Ortiz moving up(even though he was on his way up anyhow, that young man cant make 140 comfortably anymore). Victor is a BIG JWW, so he fits in fine at WW. Victor has speed and power, and is learning to Box off the backfoot. So it's not like Vic doesn't bring anything to the fight. It's just I have a feeling that all of that will be forgotten, if Berto wins by KO.

Chiefy what it do??Now ya know good an well Berto should be trying to make a name for himself,he's not doing it by fighting an unproven WW..A fighter who has quit in the ring,and was outbox(although I do hold Peterson in high regards)by a smaller fighter(Peterson was smaller when he fought Ortiz)..Not saying Ortiz is not a decent fighter but I'm saying at this point in Berto's career he should be trying to really build his name up..Fights with Cintron Marga's or Pwilly are those kinds of fights..Just the fact alone that this is even a question(the question will he get credit for this KO)shows that he is not fighting the right opponent..Berto needs to step it up if he wins,I mean if he really wants a Pac fight he has to earn it..

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i dont know if the guy is intentionally avoiding the elites or his promoter lacks the brains to get him the good fights.. im not defending the dude but to get to super star status i guess you have to start with fighting bums.. but he's like 27 fights already right? but i see him trying his best to find good opposition. i dont think ortiz is a pushover, not an elite, but not a bum. JW? i guess. but a big JW who could easily be a ww. but what do i know these are just opinionis haha. i think the quitana win wasnt bad as well. urango not bad too. mediocre resume but you cant say he fought bums.

Collazo is the best name on Berto's resume,and after he fights Ortiz(win or lose)Collazo would still be the best name on his resume..How long ago did he fight Collazo??This speaks in volume imo,Quintana was weight drained and brutally KO'd by Pwilly,Urango was slow decent fighter but nothing more then a gate keeper imo and he was a Jr WW..Forbes LMAO..It's time for dude to step up..

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I expect Berto to have a hard time against Ortiz and if he wins, it won't be by KO. I'll give him little credit for beating a smaller guy coming up in weight. Tell him to fight Jones or Clottey, and beat those guys, thenI'll give him some credit.

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I expect Berto to have a hard time against Ortiz and if he wins, it won't be by KO. I'll give him little credit for beating a smaller guy coming up in weight. Tell him to fight Jones or Clottey, and beat those guys, thenI'll give him some credit.

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Once again Berto tried to fight Cotto when Cotto had shoulder problems,Cotto is one of the fighting champs at the weigt dude fought everybody can Berto say the same??He was sign to fight Mosley then after that fell threw Mosley went on to fight May,makes 15mill and sell god knows how many ppvs..Only to have this scumbag say he wants 50/50 to fight Mosley huh??Berto backs out of the fight(that was sign at a 60/40 split)and Mosley sells crazy and makes 15 mill and he ask for 50/50 it was a flat out duck dude if ya can't see that get some glasses..

I was responding to your original post that asked when has Berto ever tried to fight an elite fighter. I never said Berto has faced elite competition, but he has at least tried to get in there with elite guys.

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well, ortiz is the one that needs to prove himself, and if he were to by giving berto a tough fight, then i would give him credit, berto that is........

but if berto sparks ortiz quick then obviously no, and if ortiz quits in the face of adversity, AGAIN, then HELL NO.........


if berto is going to make a statement, he has to knock out ortiz, and for ortiz to really gain back his status before the maidana fight, then he has to be spectacular in this fight and either dominate or ko berto..... which i don't think he can do.

i think berto is too fast and too compact of ortiz, has a higher work rate, and can fight in close better.......... ortiz has enough pop in his punch to thwart berto and even stop him, but is his head really right? i think not.

ortiz's fights leading up to this fight weren't fights that would actually get him in the right mind set and confidence back for a fight of this magnitude..........

they were walks in the park, this isnt a walk in the park.

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Chiefy what it do??Now ya know good an well Berto should be trying to make a name for himself,he's not doing it by fighting an unproven WW..A fighter who has quit in the ring,and was outbox(although I do hold Peterson in high regards)by a smaller fighter(Peterson was smaller when he fought Ortiz)..Not saying Ortiz is not a decent fighter but I'm saying at this point in Berto's career he should be trying to really build his name up..Fights with Cintron Marga's or Pwilly are those kinds of fights..Just the fact alone that this is even a question(the question will he get credit for this KO)shows that he is not fighting the right opponent..Berto needs to step it up if he wins,I mean if he really wants a Pac fight he has to earn it..

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I agree, now is not the time for the Ortiz fight, because Berto is the WBC champ at WW and should be fighting ranked opponents, regardless weither the rest of the public knows who they are. If he woulda gotten the title the right way(By fighting his way to the top, like it used to be)then we wouldn't even be talkin bout this bout, as he would be unifying, and no one would be able to say a damn thing. If he woulda opened his mouth and called for a Pwill fight at WW(like he should've), we would be watchin and waitin and debating who's gonna win, rather than how Berto's gonna win.

This is the last straw for Andre, the last mutha****in stop. He has no where to go after this. Everybody is sayin Cintron. But I dont think Cintron of late has done enough to get a shot at ANY title, let alone the coveted "Green" belt at 147.

I'd like Paul to stay at 154, but maybe we need him to get his ass down to 147, to stir the pot.

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I was responding to your original post that asked when has Berto ever tried to fight an elite fighter. I never said Berto has faced elite competition, but he has at least tried to get in there with elite guys.

And my post was a response to that,Cotto was injured after the Foreman fight which is why he did not fight for so long after..That was the only time I heard Berto mention Cotto(when there was no chance of the fight being mad)other then Cotto tho who has he tried to fight??Pac??That's unrealistic he has done nothing to earn that kind of a fight..Mosley??I broke down how he duck Mosley already..So who has he tried to fight??Other then wash-up fighters or Jr WW??