Comments Thread For: Haye vs Povetkin: David, Sauerland Discuss The Fight

[dvb]

ye the klitschko are smart cunning men,they keep the media image of them the way they like it,and im sure behind closed doors and away from public view they are much different people.

They are very cold and calculating in thier actions also.

[Tobi.G]

Besides Haye vs. a Klitschko, Haye vs. Povetkin is pretty much the most interesting heavyweight fight that can be made right now. I would like to watch it, even though its a disgrace that Haye vs. Klitschkos doesnt happen.
Haye as a person is full of ****, but as a boxer i like him. Its just the other way around with the Klitschkos.

[jknightx]

jknightx cant argue no more!. shame.lol.

lol@ dvb , ok bro I am back just needed to make some money to pay the bills lol
(did you miss me !)hahaha;

[dvb]

we will get the fights we want come the end of this year,start of next year.

but tbh,we still have good match ups at the moment.

Haye vs Povetkin/Chaegeav is pretty good.

and a Klitschko vs Adamek aint too bad either.

expect to see Haye fight Vitali in most likely october.

(and should he win i expect haye to carry on till next year and fight wladimir,saying your retiring,and doing so is a totally different thing,and with haye yet to achieve his goals,why leave so soon,why retire young enough,sharp and fast enough with relfexes in tact still,with not many fight under the belt,little punishment taken,and with 2 big fights to have to achieve)

i mean,haye cannot go on till bhop age,cuz the division just hasnt got enough worthy fights out there,but he could if he wanted,as you can be more effective at heavyweight when older aged.(but haye does rely on speed and relfexes i guess)

only worthy fights out there:wlad,vitali,povetkin,adamek,arreola,chambers ?,chageav?.

2 fights this year,3 fights next year.

i dont see how haye could go beyond 2 and a half/3 years with how poor the opponents are in the division,i cant see him carrying on should he beat both klitschkos,well cant see him carrying on fighting anymore unworthy opponents should he beat k bros, tbh. he wont need the money or anything afterwards.

just enjoy these fighters while their around.

i try to watch and appreciate k bros,but i get so damn frustrated that they have such size and power over thier opponents,who arent powerful fast or skillfull,and yet the k bros dont let their hands go more,dont put more attack on their opponents,they should be knocking these guys out by the middle rounds at worst.

the klitschkos have potential to be devastating and entertaining,while also smart and cautious still,but they arent fighting to thier most potential i dont think,they seem happy to cruise to easy late wins,and dont want to put on any performance to please the paying crowds and people watching around the world.

[dvb]

lol@ dvb , ok bor Ima back just needed to make some money to pay the bills lol
(did you miss me !)hahaha;

o of course!,lol.

tbh,ive said all i need to say,ive presented all my points and arguments,if no one doesnt want to consider them then fine,dont.

but a lot of it makes sense.and a lot of it based on fact and logic.

[jknightx]

er,i think perhaps sky,german tv and hbo or showtime had to believe to wlads demands or the fight doesnt get broacasted!.

its ok if wlad calls all our bluffs and ducks out??.

deciding on who he wants is just mind games from haye,his opinion on which he wants first can change ok.

now klitschkos siad they will fight for biggest tv network who offers the fight,boente agreed this on tv. then he said in interview he wouldnt go to hbo even if they offered more money,and would prefer showtime.

they said vitali could fight first and he wouldnt have a problem with his mandatory.

wlad said he would fight in england,seems like he wont now.haye agreed to germany.

Funny how when you whistle people down to it,all people can say to defend wlad is "believe him,if he says he will fight fights so close,he will!",despite all the evidence that points against what he says"

and that its hayes fault for not calling wlads bluff and wasting time doing so.

despite the networks and WBA most likely not even buying into wlads claims and allowing the fight for july with chisora fight happening,to allow haye to call wlads bluff.

I never said just believe him.I said look who actually in fact canceled the fight.You cannot argue witch fighter actually pulled out of the fight.you can only try to rationalize the reason why with opinion and theory.But in the end the fact is no matter what excuse you buy into ,in the end the person who officially canceled was David Haye.

[Ravens Fan]

The Chirsoa scheduling was a pure Chess move by Wlad. Wlad knew that it was impossible for Haye to secure a tuneup between January 1 and April 30th. And a tuneup AFTER April 30th would be too close to the agreed July 2nd date.

So by scheduling Chisora, Wlad creates a situation where:

HAYE ACCEPTS: He'll be inactive for 8 months, and Wlad gets the jump on a rusted fighter.. Just like what happened with Byrd 10 years ago.

HAYE REJECTS: Haye is made to look like the ducker, and Wlad's glass chin is safe from all harm and damage.

Wlad may be a coward, but he's no dummy. This was all brilliantly orchestrated, from the fake injury to the fake negotiations with Haye. Well done!

I believe Haye is inactive simply because he chooses to be, how and the hell is that Wlads fought? I will have to say you Haye fans have more bull**** then a bull eating Ex-lax. Even if they did fight in July Haye would have been, by his choice, inactive since November. I am sure Wlad would not have cared if Haye took a tune up before July. And Haye was the one that was not available in April, so was Wlad conspiring with the Royal family so he could duck Haye? So anyway what does Wlad do? He takes a **** fight. And I don't agree with the fight only because Chisora does not deserve it. But if anyone deserves to take an easy fight it would be Wlad. And there really is no reason why Haye could not have done the same within a four month period or even longer and if he just pushed his fake a$$ retirement back. After all he is used to fighting old out of their prime fighters so how hard would have been to find another victim? And you Haye fans *****ed because Wlad took the other fight, because he could get hurt or this or that, and now you are complaining because Haye could not have done the same. It is just one big pile of steaming crap after another with you guys. I mean this ain't rocket science and Haye seems to stay in shape so what is so hard about fighting two or three of even four times a year? And you are right Wlad is a chess player and he is already on his second move with Adamek while Haye is still spinning wheels.

[jknightx]

The Chirsoa scheduling was a pure Chess move by Wlad. Wlad knew that it was impossible for Haye to secure a tuneup between January 1 and April 30th. And a tuneup AFTER April 30th would be too close to the agreed July 2nd date.

So by scheduling Chisora, Wlad creates a situation where:

HAYE ACCEPTS: He'll be inactive for 8 months, and Wlad gets the jump on a rusted fighter.. Just like what happened with Byrd 10 years ago.

HAYE REJECTS: Haye is made to look like the ducker, and Wlad's glass chin is safe from all harm and damage.

Wlad may be a coward, but he's no dummy. This was all brilliantly orchestrated, from the fake injury to the fake negotiations with Haye. Well done!

uhh ,...Haye is always inactive for 8 months lol

[jknightx]

Fair enough,i just want some people to use some own thought on who really is wanting to fight,and who is really to blame.instead of just blindly and instantly blaming haye.

instead of blindly beleiving wlads every word and claims.and saying we should all just take wlads word for it,despite his word and claims being dubious.

yes,i would have prefered haye to earn less and agree fights early on in 09,but that would have stopped the fight being unification in first instance.

i really wished that setanta hadnt gone down,when that happened i did think haye would have to pull out of the wlad fight,that was **** timing from setanta.

and you can see why haye wants to earn more,gain experience aswell maybe,before fighting klitshckos,and get better deals with his own belt helping possiblity of complete unification of all titles.

also blame does go to the networks for not getting the dates close enough tbh.

they should have moved khans date to may and haye for khans original date of april 16.sky that is.or a venue be made possible for earlier.

or allowed a fight for wlad closer than april 30 so he does have full time to prepare and promote and atually fight haye when wlad is at his best condition.

i think haye should and could have done more earlier on,but this time round i think he has done mostly everything he could to make the fight.he agreed germany,agreed split,changed his saureland contract to make it possible,agreed to minor things like name order and ring corner,german dr for wlad ect.

i dont think wlad has really done or conceded anything to make the fight happen this time round,and hes blocked up later this year with adamek aswell.

im not saying he should do,or has too,but he could do,youde think he would if he wanted too fight.
.if its a unfication then both need to do thier bit to make sure they can fight ,and it is for each others titles.

i just want the best to fight the best.

in all reality it should be no 1 wlad vs no 2 vitali but they obvs. wont do that.so we will get either no3 haye vs no1 or no 2.

i think its likely haye v vitali will have to be first,and will be in october time.

i believe if haye does win we will see haye v wlad early next year in march time.

Ok I do have to agree to the staement that network should have just moved Khans fight to make Haye vs. Klitschko happen.

[dvb]

you cant put only haye to blame,and cant put only wlad to blame,as all networks failed us fans aswell.

if only wlad didnt pull out of fighting chisora in december,then we would have haye v Wlad in july without any problems and excuses.

I wouldnt expect haye to waste so many months for wlad when its very very likely wlad isnt able to compete on july 2nd through possible loss,possible injury/not compete at the level he should do as he isnt absolutely trained properly and isnt in proper top condition with right amount of sparring done for Haye fight.

i dont agree with haye retire bs.but if he is serious with it,he would not wait half the year for fight with wlad to most likely not happen when he could get his mandatory out the way seen as wlad is fighting someone else,and then get wlad/vital in late summer time.