Comments Thread For: Haye vs Povetkin: David, Sauerland Discuss The Fight

[jknightx]

lol,all the haters said haye would never fight chageav or povetkin,looks like hes fighting one of the two!.

whether he(chageav) had trained for valeuv properly or not,he still did not have time to train for wladimir!.

and yes,people forget Haye pulled out when his setanta tv network went bust,so back injury or not,the tv b/s stopped the fight.

And Klitschko did not want to wait a few more weeks to fight Haye?

wlad has shown several times with his actions that he doesnt seem that keen to fight Haye,he says he does but when it comes to actions he wont wait for haye a few weeks more the first time and this time round he wanted to fight some lame duck chisora,and fight so close he aviods Haye fight in all reality.

He probably deliberately pulled out in December so he could negotiate with haye and if he didnt want it still,when haye agreed to everything,he could use the rustyness excuse.

people talk about hayes drop out in 2009!,what about wlads drop out in 2010,decemeber. 2 days before the fight,even closer than when haye dropped out! and wlad didnt have no problems with tv networks!,also wlad had his 2 managers state 2 different injuires and recovery dates,then he is photgraphed swinging a golf club on holiday soon after!.LOL.

How does such an experienced fighter get a serious tear so close to a fight.
on the day he did his open workout,he looked fine,but he did another workout after that public workout,and somehow got a serious injury,2 days before a fight?????.

lol,not most legit source,but fat buncy did say that he was told from tyson fury,that wlad was never injured!. tyson dont need to lie,i know buncy not most reliable,but what if he aint lying!.

Haye has not agreed to fight any one yet,so lets not jump the gun untill we see who Haye ends up fighting.

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Dude Haye made a statement to the press saying"if Wlad fights Chisora in april I will not fight him on july 2nd!" his words ,not here say or opinion.And for what ever reson you want to buy into HAYE HIMSELF ADMITTED TO PULLING OUT OF THE FIGHTS WITH THE KLITSCHKOS. This not ifs or buts.it is fact that he did cancel on Wlad in the first becuase of,i HURT MY HAND,NO ITS BACK AND FINALLY THE BANKURPT REASON! aND THEN THE SLAVE CONTRACT AGAINST vITALI. (then he went sifgn a 3 fight deal with King). So why you state your opionion I am stating things that Hayes camp has released to the press.

still dont get it,still wont admit that chisora v wlad on that date they fight,and then haye klitschko date they had for july 2nd,means that wlad would not and could not get that fight actually happening.


he was smart,he got a title and made the klitschko need to fight him and give them bot something to gain above the record on the resume.klitschkos have said themselves that was a good move and they are happy to fight haye and possibly get a title from it!.

you dont know the klitschkos contract to say it was better than anything suareland has on haye in his 3 fight contract.

see the above posts,that no one is yet to argue agiasnt,funny how logical points agianst wlad cant be argued against.

im not saying its not true,but can you can produce this press statement??.

[jknightx]

The only reason Chagaev is even a name is because Nikolai is befuddled by the southpaw style. The rest of Chagaev's career has been mediocre to absolute ****.

To be Frank, Wlad snatched an AIDS patient off the beach, and forced him into the ring on two weeks notice.

I hope Haye gets Povetkin and not the diseased clown.

Wlad took the unbeaten WBA champion ,who had beaten Valuev decisevely,who had been training for a fight already.And how many unbeaten champions has Haye fought at heavy weight?

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yeah he could fight those guys too, none would be a real threat.

Wlad doesn't care about 'attention in the UK' - he's the main man and everyone knows that.

Oh, and Haye 'fighting' Harrisson was no mismatch, boring performance, no contest type 'fight'? Or flat out fraud for that matter.

Emanuel Steward called Chisora a dangerous opponent for Wlad, and I take it he knows a wee bit more what he's talking about than you do :-/

how do you know that,how can you say that when they have better records and better styles and size in height reach than chisora?

they would alteast be better than chisora.

lol,course he does,he wants big audience and big money,dont be ****** to say that,haa.

look above genius,he said it was a mismatch that he would win easy,and there were demand from public for it,no demand what so ever for chisora wlad.

steward is going to say that isnt he,duhhh. steward also said mayorga will be dangerous for cotto,and mayorga has been knocked out and is past it.

steward does know more about boxing,and he knows how to hype a fight,despite it being awful,hes knows how to not understimate any opponent,no matter how crap they are.

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Haye has not agreed to fight any one yet,so lets not jump the gun untill we see who Haye ends up fighting.

its very obvious hes going to fight someone way better than chisora will ever be.

it will be chageav(if he gets passed,despite him being ill)

or povetkin most likely.

much better fight than chisora novice.

[jknightx]

i guess someone doesnt care to try and defend Wladimir!.

The reason why no one is defending Wlad against what you stated is because no matter what you defend Haye ,with mostly your personel opinion. Wlad was not the one who stopped the july 2nd fight it was HAYE.hAYE STATED TO THE PRESS THAT HE WILL NOT FIGHT WLad if wlad fights Chisora in april;. It cannot get much more plain than that.Wlad continued to instist that he could fight Haye on the agreed date of july 2nd.
HAYE IS THE ONE IN THE END THAT SAID NO! You can rationalize it any way you want to. Repeat all of Hayes reason why Wlad could not be ready IN 9 WEEKS. But in the ensd it was Haye that canceled the july 2nd date.

[Weltschmerz]

If wlad didnt want to be "rusty" and wanted a "tune up"why did we not hear this at the start of thier negotitations?

why did they bother starting to sort out venue and date if wlad wanted a tune up first??.

why agree germany and july 2nd if he then wanted a "tune up stay busy" fight so close to this date that it makes it near impossible for the unification fight to actually happen.

why fight adamek in september for no belt,when he could have fought someone and been fine to fight haye in september??.


the number one ranked heavyweight should NOT be fighting a 14 fight novice with no style and no chance to beat him.

so your saying wlad doesnt trust haye so he will never fight him??.

dont see why wlad did not get someone on the undercard as back up if he dont trust haye.

dont see why he didnt get haye to agree if either of them pulled out then either one would pay the other a huge amount of thier next fight purse to him.

still yet to hear anyone argue and discredit my points on wlads amout of fights per year and gap between fights!.

still yet to hear how wlad can definately fight 9 weeks or less after a fight without any problems what so ever with preperation and promotion being done properly and done with justice to such a huge mega unification fight that would be watched all over the wolrd.

Dude, why do you keep denying the fact that it's Haye avoiding Wladimir? It doesn't matter if Wlad fights Chisora, he's still ready for Haye for fcks sake. The fight doesn't need any preparation or promotion, it's been hyped for 2½ yrs now, just get it on. Why should Wlad sit around and wait for Haye to finally make up his bloody mind, guy is a pathological liar who keeps calling out both bros and then 'disappears' or makes crappy excuses for not following through, it's so painfully clear to anyone in their right mind. Guy is a joke.

And you make it sound like Wlad owns Haye to fight. He doesn't, Wlad's the HW champ, Haye has to come forward as a challenger, remember that. Guys like Chisora and Adamek are seeing it as the one time chance it is to fight the champ, and they take it. Respect to that.

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still waiting for peole to try argue my points on wlads fights per year and gap between fights swaying towards him being unlikely to fight the dates he said he would fight.

but actually he came out at late and said those dates dont make sense.

and why should haye and the wba just believe wlads hard to believe claims that he can fight in this highly unlikely space of times.

as if the networks would have bought the fight with chisora v wlad happening so close to the haye v wlad megafight!.

schafer even said wlads claims were ******.

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Dude, why do you keep denying the fact that it's Haye avoiding Wladimir? It doesn't matter if Wlad fights Chisora, he's still ready for Haye for fcks sake. The fight doesn't need any preparation or promotion, it's been hyped for 2½ yrs now, just get it on. Why should Wlad sit around and wait for Haye to finally make up his bloody mind, guy is a pathological liar who keeps calling out both bros and then 'disappears' or makes crappy excuses for not following through, it's so painfully clear to anyone in their right mind. Guy is a joke.

And you make it sound like Wlad owns Haye to fight. He doesn't, Wlad's the HW champ, Haye has to come forward as a challenger, remember that. Guys like Chisora and Adamek are seeing it as the one time chance it is to fight the champ, and they take it. Respect to that.

why should haye believe wlads claims that he will be ready,i mean wlad dropped out of chisora fight 2 days before and his managers gave 2 different injuries and dates of recovery,he was spotted playing golf!.
lol hes ready for haye,yet it goes totally agiasnt his past history of fights per year,and gap between fights?

not a very convincing argument,"hes ready" o if he says he is lets just ignore all the facts on his career, and ignore highly likely things that can happen that make him NOT ready.

your still not able to argue wlads corner for his fights per year and fights gap at this age and time in his career!.

a mega fight does need promotion,the public,who will be the non boxing fans,the sport fans but not boxing fans will not be aware of a fight happening with such short time of build up for it.there the ones who make the fighters the most money.

obviosuly doesnt earn as much with lesser preperation does it!.

idiot,haye has a belt,its a unification fight,you dont get no unification without both guys belts!.

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The reason why no one is defending Wlad against what you stated is because no matter what you defend Haye ,with mostly your personel opinion. Wlad was not the one who stopped the july 2nd fight it was HAYE.hAYE STATED TO THE PRESS THAT HE WILL NOT FIGHT WLad if wlad fights Chisora in april;. It cannot get much more plain than that.Wlad continued to instist that he could fight Haye on the agreed date of july 2nd.
HAYE IS THE ONE IN THE END THAT SAID NO! You can rationalize it any way you want to. Repeat all of Hayes reason why Wlad could not be ready IN 9 WEEKS. But in the ensd it was Haye that canceled the july 2nd date.

wlad saying he fights chisora so close to the haye megafight cancelled the fight. you just dont want to use logic.

Haye agreed to everything else asked of him!.klitscko do not dispute this!.

you lot cant argue the facts and logic that says wlad is highly unlikely to fight on dates he claimed!.

YOU CANNOT ARGUE THE FACTS!:


wlad has only fought 3 times a year twice in the past decade-FACT.(2008 and 2002,all spread through out the year nicely)

wlad has not fought any back to back fights so close since the year 2000-FACT!.

Wlad pulled out in decemeber and was spotted on a golf course-FACT.

wlads 2 managers gave two different injuries anf two dates of comeback-FACT.

All these things happen to fighters all the time in fights/these things can affect wlad not fighting at all,or being below par for such a big fight:

Injuires,cuts,lack of training,lack of rest and recovey time from a so called "tough" fight with chisora.HE could lose somehow to chisora!.