Comments Thread For: Haye vs Povetkin: David, Sauerland Discuss The Fight

[dvb]

jknightx cant argue no more!. shame.lol.

[jknightx]

Vitali was preparing for 2 years, not 2 weeks. Lennox was grossly out of shape coming off a year long layoff while Vit was active and in tip-top.


Wlad needs to drop that stay-busy bull**** and fight a memorable opponent for once in his life. No one will remember his meaningless exhibitions 50 years from now...

Do you know how many fights Joe Frazier had? About 25 less than Wlad has now, and he is ranked much higher all-time. Thats because Frazier fought quality and didnt waste time with 14 fight prospects to pad his record.

Great Fights is what boxing needs, not farces designed to keep GlassWlad busy.

YOu mean like the great fights Haye has been having?

[jknightx]

wlad saying he fights chisora so close to the haye megafight cancelled the fight. you just dont want to use logic.

Haye agreed to everything else asked of him!.klitscko do not dispute this!.

you lot cant argue the facts and logic that says wlad is highly unlikely to fight on dates he claimed!.

YOU CANNOT ARGUE THE FACTS!:


wlad has only fought 3 times a year twice in the past decade-FACT.(2008 and 2002,all spread through out the year nicely)

wlad has not fought any back to back fights so close since the year 2000-FACT!.

Wlad pulled out in decemeber and was spotted on a golf course-FACT.

wlads 2 managers gave two different injuries anf two dates of comeback-FACT.

All these things happen to fighters all the time in fights/these things can affect wlad not fighting at all,or being below par for such a big fight:

Injuires,cuts,lack of training,lack of rest and recovey time from a so called "tough" fight with chisora.HE could lose somehow to chisora!.

your not using logic.The fact is Wlad did not cancel the fight,Haye canceled it.That is the facts no matter what you argue,that is the facts.

[jknightx]

your argument is that we should believe his claims?.and its haye's fault for not believing wlads unlikely claims!.thats weak man.

stop just taking wlads word on ****,hes clearly avoided haye this time round.

and whats worse is he is fighting a non fight that is shameful and has no reason what so ever to do this next fight,atleast haye got money and demand for his **** fight,and he didnt con anyone into saying fraudley is good like wlad is saying about,he said he would destroy fraudley,and he did.

are you not going to argue the facts on wlad and see how hard it is to believe that he would not and could not do what he claimed?.

First Haye and Boothe have been the ones caught contridicting themslves time and time again.2ndly it ahs been Haye who has a history of pulling out of the fights not Wlad,.3 HAYE NOR ANYONE ELSE HAS TO BELIEVE WLAD, Haye just needed to sign the fight for july 2nd like it was agreed upon and then we could have found out for sure if Wlad was bluffing,but since Haye just pulled out(again) we can never know and everything else is just opinion either way

[dvb]

your not using logic.The fact is Wlad did not cancel the fight,Haye canceled it.That is the facts no matter what you argue,that is the facts.

the truth is right there infront of you.you just blame haye,when its wlad whos to blame for this fight not happening.

your argument is haye should believe wlad,even if he it is extremely hard to beleive him,he should call out wlads bluff,and waste his time to have wlad pull out.

why should haye trust wlad,wlad pulled out in december,and couldnt even report the same injury and recovery date,and was spotted on a golf course.

(haye had to pull out in 2009 v wlad cuz his tv went bust!,and vitali case i dont know for sure,but he got a title elswhere, and a chance to make the klits give him better contracts which has happened!,and hes given everyone a unification fight,something wlad and vitali wont ever do with each other,and hadnt done before haye was champion,blame wba and don king all you like,king got plenlty of super fights made before!)



you cant argue this.your just ignoring all the b.s wlads done and said and still blame haye.lol.

you say haye said fight is off im not signing to fight.

i say wlad has made the fight off despite haye pulling out or not cuz of the date he is fighting this fight with chisora,that no one else wanted him to have,not even steward!.

it is reported that wlad said im not signing contract and im going to fight chisora,so you(haye) go fight someone else and wele sign the contracts for july 2nd,after both us fight our seperate fights.

[dvb]

First Haye and Boothe have been the ones caught contridicting themslves time and time again.2ndly it ahs been Haye who has a history of pulling out of the fights not Wlad,.3 HAYE NOR ANYONE ELSE HAS TO BELIEVE WLAD, Haye just needed to sign the fight for july 2nd like it was agreed upond and then we could have found out for sure if Wlad was bluffing,but since Hyae just pulled out(again) we can never know and everything else is just opinion either way

er,i think perhaps sky,german tv and hbo or showtime had to believe to wlads demands or the fight doesnt get broacasted!.

its ok if wlad calls all our bluffs and ducks out??.

deciding on who he wants is just mind games from haye,his opinion on which he wants first can change ok.

now klitschkos siad they will fight for biggest tv network who offers the fight,boente agreed this on tv. then he said in interview he wouldnt go to hbo even if they offered more money,and would prefer showtime.

they said vitali could fight first and he wouldnt have a problem with his mandatory.

wlad said he would fight in england,seems like he wont now.haye agreed to germany.

Funny how when you whistle people down to it,all people can say to defend wlad is "believe him,if he says he will fight fights so close,he will!",despite all the evidence that points against what he says"

and that its hayes fault for not calling wlads bluff and wasting time doing so.

despite the networks and WBA most likely not even buying into wlads claims and allowing the fight for july with chisora fight happening,to allow haye to call wlads bluff.

[jknightx]

er,i think perhaps sky,german tv and hbo or showtime had to believe to wlads demands or the fight doesnt get broacasted!.

its ok if wlad calls all our bluffs and ducks out??.

deciding on who he wants is just mind games from haye,his opinion on which he wants first can change ok.

now klitschkos siad they will fight for biggest tv network who offers the fight,boente agreed this on tv. then he said in interview he wouldnt go to hbo even if they offered more money,and would prefer showtime.

they said vitali coudl fight first and he wouldnt have a problem with his mandatory.

wlad said he would fight in england,seems like he wont now.haye agreed to germany.

Ok Dvb and others I have to go for a bit,(need to get some work done) It was nice debateing with you guys,and lets all hope that we get some good fights and maybe a Haye Klitschko fight in the future take care,bbl

[dvb]

Ok Dvb and others I have to go for a bit,(need to get some work done) It was nice debateing with you guys,and lets all hope that we get some good fights and maybe a Haye Klitschko fight in the future take care,bbl

Fair enough,i just want some people to use some own thought on who really is wanting to fight,and who is really to blame.instead of just blindly and instantly blaming haye.

instead of blindly beleiving wlads every word and claims.and saying we should all just take wlads word for it,despite his word and claims being dubious.

yes,i would have prefered haye to earn less and agree fights early on in 09,but that would have stopped the fight being unification in first instance.

i really wished that setanta hadnt gone down,when that happened i did think haye would have to pull out of the wlad fight,that was **** timing from setanta.

and you can see why haye wants to earn more,gain experience aswell maybe,before fighting klitshckos,and get better deals with his own belt helping possiblity of complete unification of all titles.

also blame does go to the networks for not getting the dates close enough tbh.

they should have moved khans date to may and haye for khans original date of april 16.sky that is.or a venue be made possible for earlier.

or allowed a fight for wlad closer than april 30 so he does have full time to prepare and promote and atually fight haye when wlad is at his best condition.

i think haye should and could have done more earlier on,but this time round i think he has done mostly everything he could to make the fight.he agreed germany,agreed split,changed his saureland contract to make it possible,agreed to minor things like name order and ring corner,german dr for wlad ect.

i dont think wlad has really done or conceded anything to make the fight happen this time round,and hes blocked up later this year with adamek aswell.

im not saying he should do,or has too,but he could do,youde think he would if he wanted too fight.
.if its a unfication then both need to do thier bit to make sure they can fight ,and it is for each others titles.

i just want the best to fight the best.

in all reality it should be no 1 wlad vs no 2 vitali but they obvs. wont do that.so we will get either no3 haye vs no1 or no 2.

i think its likely haye v vitali will have to be first,and will be in october time.

i believe if haye does win we will see haye v wlad early next year in march time.

[Ravens Fan]

I was not going to comment because I really believe this is an absolute waste of time but what the hell. I have read comments that implied that Wlad took the Chisora fight because he knew Haye would then not fight him in July. Well, there is one small detail that was not discussed. Wlad only took the Chisora fight when the April date with Haye ran up against the Royal wedding. And soon as Haye pulled out of the July fight what does Wlad do? He only negotiates with and settles on a date with the 4th ranked heavyweight in Adamek. While Haye still does not have an opponent. Also, what is all this nonsense about Chagaev being plucked off of a beach? He was training for the tallest heavyweight champ in history so what could he have possibly done different because he was going to fight Wlad? I am sure he was already using the tallest heavyweight sparring partners he could find so what would he have done differently train to land his punches six inches lower? And Wlad dominated Chagaev so does anyone really believe he could have beat Wlad regardless of what he had done differently while sparring? And I will say as a Wlad fan that I don't want him to fight Chisora. Simply because he has not earned the right to fight for the title. However, at least he is young and hungry and in his prime and Haye still can't claim he fought anyone in their prime besides Enzo Mac. And my last point is the Chisora fight is little more then a paid sparring match for Wlad. And I for one have never seen Wlad look as if he is out of shape and I really see no problem what so ever with him being ready to fight Haye in July or August or when ever.

[Joeyzagz]

I was not going to comment because I really believe this is an absolute waste of time but what the hell. I have read comments that implied that Wlad took the Chisora fight because he knew Haye would then not fight him in July. Well, there is one small detail that was not discussed. Wlad only took the Chisora fight when the April date with Haye ran up against the Royal wedding. And soon as Haye pulled out of the July fight what does Wlad do? He only negotiates with and settles on a date with the 4th ranked heavyweight in Adamek.

The Chirsoa scheduling was a pure Chess move by Wlad. Wlad knew that it was impossible for Haye to secure a tuneup between January 1 and April 30th. And a tuneup AFTER April 30th would be too close to the agreed July 2nd date.

So by scheduling Chisora, Wlad creates a situation where:

HAYE ACCEPTS: He'll be inactive for 8 months, and Wlad gets the jump on a rusted fighter.. Just like what happened with Byrd 10 years ago.

HAYE REJECTS: Haye is made to look like the ducker, and Wlad's glass chin is safe from all harm and damage.

Wlad may be a coward, but he's no dummy. This was all brilliantly orchestrated, from the fake injury to the fake negotiations with Haye. Well done!