Comments Thread For: David Haye Praises Froch and Povetkin, Rips Klitschko

[hweightblogger]

what a joke some so called boxing fans are on this thread

unless you are a ****** surely you must know 9 weeks is not enough to rest, promote and train for a big fight.

You are merely repeating Haye's nonsense. 9 weeks between fights is nothing special.

ESPECIALLY since "not enough rest" and "not enough proper training" is an argument for Haye TO SIGN the contract.

Thus you seem to be so deluded that you don't even recognize how utterly bizarre this "argument" is.

It's still valid what I wrote (and then the thread starter posted) at

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=453582

Additionally you ignore that Wlad-Chisora IS THE BEST PROMOTION that could happen for the fight.

Moreover you try to divert from the topic because Haye could very well choose to fight Vitali, yet he doesn't.

its simple as that, wlad is ducking haye, he called haye out and then *****ed out to fight chisora instead

Not quite, you forget one little thing in your great theory: Wlad already signed the contract with Haye and then Haye bit$hed out.

Additionally you repeat the lie that Wlad chose to fight Chisora "INSTEAD", whereas it's not "instead" but "ADDITIONALLY".

Please tell us IN YOUR OWN WORDS why Haye doesn't sign the contract for the 2nd July against Wlad or Vitali. Come on, make us laugh.

[LeadUppercut]

9 weeks is a short time period, but there is nothing stopping it from being done.

This fight hardly needs intense promotion, it has been promoting itself for 2 years now and everyone who would want to see it already knows about it.

Klitschko is gonna beat Chisora without breaking a sweat and if he says he is willing to go right back into training 2 weeks later for the Haye fight then what reason is there not to believe him?

Well, good point, there is no reason at all to disbelieve Wlad, which is why I find it hard to reason that he is ducking Haye.

But I don't agree with you about the promotion.

Fights do not promote themselves, no matter how long they are in the making, and no matter how popular either of the fighters might be.

It is absolutely correct to say that promotion = paycheck, and Haye should not be required to commit to ANYTHING that compromises either his preparation, or his payday.

This is a truly international fight, and will be mainly supported by casual fan's and marketed over more than 2 continents. That will take time and planning.

To suggest that Haye should be required to halt his training to concentrate on promotional commitments, and then return to finish his preparation, is a little unrealistic imho.

This has gone on long enough, and Haye is largely to blame for that, but I can't see how you or I could realistically expect Haye to make compromises of that magnitude just to fit in with Chisora.

Haye should have beem slammed for whinging about the 50/50 split back when both guys had their calendars free.

[SP1]

What is so special about July 2?

[throbk1974]

Haye has done nothing in the heavyweight division. Fighting Haye does nothing for either Klitchko's legacy. Adamek would beat Haye & would have a better chance against either brother.

[dvb]

[QUOTE=hweightblogger;10122885]You are merely repeating Haye's nonsense. 9 weeks between fights is nothing special.

ESPECIALLY since "not enough rest" and "not enough proper training" is an argument for Haye TO SIGN the contract.

so you wont downplay haye if he wins,and due to wlad being injured,overtrained or undeprepared for haye??.

Thus you seem to be so deluded that you don't even recognize how utterly bizarre this "argument" is.

It's still valid what I wrote (and then the thread starter posted) at

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=453582

Additionally you ignore that Wlad-Chisora IS THE BEST PROMOTION that could happen for the fight.
,HAHAAHAHAH,chisora is best promotion?,wtf are you on!,know one knows who the **** chisora is outside of boxing circles!.

Moreover you try to divert from the topic because Haye could very well choose to fight Vitali, yet he doesn't.

he wants to fight wlad first,he does want to fight vitali,but not first and not just vitali if he only gets 1 of them.

you forget where boente said vitali's mandatory would not be a problem?,and now he has his mandatory.

you forget wlad called haye out,and is now fighting 2 other people instead this year.

Not quite, you forget one little thing in your great theory: Wlad already signed the contract with Haye and then Haye bit$hed out.

did you see haye's signature and see the contract???

Additionally you repeat the lie that Wlad chose to fight Chisora "INSTEAD", whereas it's not "instead" but "ADDITIONALLY".

addtionally! lol,shut up,he chose to fight chisora in december,he dropped out close to the fight,and made himself more inactive.

tell me,why would wlad,a 2 fight a year boxer,decide to have 3 fights so close together?.

hes not fought 3 fights in a year since 2008,2002 before then.

he has not fought 2 fights or more so close together since the year 2000!.he was 25 then,now hes 35,and it will be less than 9 weeks this time round between these 3 fights,no way does promotion and training get done right.

Haye has a mandatory,tht fight is even close to the july date.

hes not signing and not fighting to let wlad go and pull out of a fight he obviusly would never be ready to fight,and have haye waste time he could be getting rid of mandatory in.

you lot seem to ignore the obvious logical points:
wlads career fights per year,
fights time gap between each other,
and on promotion of fights not able to get done right
the real chance of injury before and after the chisora fight,
the obvious points of wlad being undeprepared,especially sparring wise,
Wlad being overtrained as he has no break between fights
or has a break and doesnt train right for the july date.
Even goes into a mega fight injured.
Goes into a mega fight with small promo time,less money earnt for him!.

[dvb]

What is so special about July 2?

july 2nd was apparently the only date both sides could accomodate thier tv networks and have a venue available.

[ChopperRead]

No the fact that Lewis avenged them and actually faced quite a number of GOOD fighters in comparison too todays set of HWs

"Avenging" them doesn't change the fact that Lewis got knocked cold by them in the first place.

And if you're ready to count McCall's nervous breakdown / drug withdrawal meltdown against Lewis as him "avenging" the loss but not count Wlad's making Brewster QUIT on his stool as the same, then you are just biased and your theories aren't worth much.

The Klitschkos have faced plenty of good heavyweights. They just make them look bad. Go look up the number of undefeated fighters Wlad and Vitali have beaten.

Calvin Brock, for instance, was called the next superstar American heavyweight before Wlad knocked him cold. But that is forgotten now.

[Joeyzagz]

1. Lennox did not properly avenge his loss to Oliver McCall. It's ridiculous to call that "event" a fight, let alone "avenging".
2. Wlad battered Lamon Brewster the second time around, too.
3. Big bro asked small bro to avenge his loss against Byrd.
4. Corrie Sanders dropped the belt to not face Wlad a second time. He decided to fight (belt-less) against Vitali Klitschko (also belt-less). Therefore Wlad (belt-less) had to face Brewster (belt-less) instead of Sanders. Corrie simply wanted to be the guy who beat both brothers.
5. That Lennox (2 losses) had 1 loss less than Wlad (3 losses) is due to Lennox fighting only 39 different real heavyweight opponents whereas Wlad fought 53 different opponents.
6. Unavenged losses of heavyweight world champions are the rule not the exception. Having only 2 unavenged losses is a hallmark attribute of the Klitschkos. Of the 78 world heavyweight champions to date the AVERAGE is 7.3 losses and 5.5 unavenged losses.
7. Of the 78 heavyweight champions to date there is only 1 champ with as many real heavyweight fights (200 lbs) as Wlad Klitschko and LESS losses: Brian Nielsen. BRIAN NIELSEN! That's how far you have to dig to find someone with less unavenged losses.
8. Evan Fields has 6 unavenged losses, Ezzard Charles 15, Foreman 5, Walcott 9, Larry Holmes 5, Tyson 5, Ali 2 etc etc.

- Oliver Mccall started like a b1tch when he realized lightning wasnt going to strike twice for him. Most embarrassing display ever by a heavyweight fighter.

-Lamon Brewster was blind in one eye(Liakovich) and possibly poisoned in the rematch. Wlad would never have the balls to avenge a loss in the same calendar year like Lewis did with rahman.

-Corrie Sanders was a 37 y/o golfer who was KO'd by Rahman and some bum before demolishing Wladimir. Show me the vid of wlad begging for a rematch.

-Brian Neilson is exactly where Wlad should be rated. The difference is Neilson didnt need a 6'8 bodyguard to handle his rematches, take on hard punchers, and to change his diaper. Neilson accomplished everything on his own.

-Against Byrd. Big Bro missed 370 punches, 41.1 per round ,for a connect percentage of 26%. HISTORICALLY AWFUL. That type of injury is a common sign of Steroid abuse, which Vitali was busted for in the olympics.

-Evan fields withstood Lennox's punches a lot better than Vitali, and Evan's resume' is superior to both sisters combined: Bowe, Douglas, Tyson, Holmes, Foreman, Moorer, mercer, Ruiz etc etc etc....

[hweightblogger]

you lot seem to ignore the obvious logical points:

Quite the opposite: I know all of your "logical points" and they are worthless because they are no reason why not sign a fight against Wlad, let alone Vitali.

wlads career fights per year,
fights time gap between each other,
and on promotion of fights not able to get done right
the real chance of injury before and after the chisora fight,
the obvious points of wlad being undeprepared,especially sparring wise,
Wlad being overtrained as he has no break between fights
or has a break and doesnt train right for the july date.
Even goes into a mega fight injured.
Goes into a mega fight with small promo time,less money earnt for him!.

You hide behind a lot of text because all your "arguments" sum up as "9 weeks are not enough" and they still don't answer the question why Haye doesn't fight Vitali.


You: "wlads career fights per year"
Me: So what? Sign the contract with Wlad or Vitali. Since when should Lennox care how many fights per year Holyfield had? What a lame excuse is that?

You: "fights time gap between each other"
Me: So what? Sign the contract with Wlad or Vitali. None of Lennox' business what the fight gap was of Tyson.

You: "on promotion of fights not able to get done right"
Me: The fight has been hyped up since years and Chisora would be PART of that hype.

You: "the real chance of injury before and after the chisora fight"
Me: So what? Sign the contract with Wlad or Vitali. If Wlad jumps off then you can blame him THEN.

You: "the obvious points of wlad being undeprepared,especially sparring wise,"
Me: Oh, how sympathetic of you to feel for pooor, pooor Wlad. Sign the contract, Haye.

You: "Wlad being overtrained as he has no break between fights
or has a break and doesnt train right for the july date."
Me: Again, a reason WHY TO SIGN the contract, not vice versa. You notice that your argument actually shows THE REAL REASON WHY HAYE does not want Wlad to have a warm-up, right?

You: "Goes into a mega fight with small promo time,less money earnt for him!."
Me: Yeah, inventing reasons that not even Haye mentioned, aren't you?

[ChopperRead]

1. Lennox did not properly avenge his loss to Oliver McCall. It's ridiculous to call that "event" a fight, let alone "avenging".
2. Wlad battered Lamon Brewster the second time around, too.
3. Big bro asked small bro to avenge his loss against Byrd.
4. Corrie Sanders dropped the belt to not face Wlad a second time. He decided to fight (belt-less) against Vitali Klitschko (also belt-less). Therefore Wlad (belt-less) had to face Brewster (belt-less) instead of Sanders. Corrie simply wanted to be the guy who beat both brothers.
5. That Lennox (2 losses) had 1 loss less than Wlad (3 losses) is due to Lennox fighting only 39 different real heavyweight opponents whereas Wlad fought 53 different opponents.
6. Unavenged losses of heavyweight world champions are the rule not the exception. Having only 2 unavenged losses is a hallmark attribute of the Klitschkos. Of the 78 world heavyweight champions to date the AVERAGE is 7.3 losses and 5.5 unavenged losses.
7. Of the 78 heavyweight champions to date there is only 1 champ with as many real heavyweight fights (200 lbs) as Wlad Klitschko and LESS losses: Brian Nielsen. BRIAN NIELSEN! That's how far you have to dig to find someone with less unavenged losses.
8. Evan Fields has 6 unavenged losses, Ezzard Charles 15, Foreman 5, Walcott 9, Larry Holmes 5, Tyson 5, Ali 2 etc etc.

Excellent command of the facts, as opposed to the fictions of some of these anti-Klitschko morons.