Comments Thread For: Mosley Rips Mayweather For Not Fighting Pacquiao

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How far the conversation went might be up for questioning.

Now that is the real point, and the huge fly in the ointment as far Greenburg's statement is concerned. In the next post I will quote an old reply to the same question.....

Here is your problem.....

" You are so fixated at Arum lying that you totally ignored Ross..... "

No way, it's the other way around bro.

You, are so fixated with Ross that you just don't seem to understand the role that Bob Arum played in this, or understand what effect it had.

And I am also sure that you are overstating Ross Greenburg's role in this "negotiation", and in any other "negotiation" that he has been officially involved with, or should I say "party to".

The most technically correct way to describe Ross Greenburg's involvement in a standard negotiation - say for example, the one involving Manny/Floyd last December - would be "party to" the negotiation, and nothing more.

Bob Arum is steering the Manny-ship, not Ross Greenburg.

Greenburg's usual role is to arrange/confirm dates/figures, and very little else. Exactly like the role he played last December, in the only actual negotiation that has ever taken place between Pacquiao and Mayweather.

Who the hell makes a ****ty offer that has already been rejected, and leaves no room at all for any kind of negotiation? That's not really how they did things the first time around. Come to think of it, I have never actually heard of a high-profile fight being made like that

It actually sounds ridiculous if you think about it.

And the mediator that TR/GBP used last time walked both parties through the process, Greenburg was just an errand boy with a ****ty offer that Arum knew would be rejected. Just like it states here.....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...before-ellerbe

Greenburg was never a mediator.

He made a phone call to Haymon, whilst Bob Arum played games with the media insisting that he was personally negotiating with GBP.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

Team Mayweather publicly denied that the calls to Haymon were official "negotiations". How the hell could a deal possibly be made by errand boy Greenburg simply making a phone call to Haymon, whilst a fake deadline expired that Arum insisted he personally negotiated with GBP.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

A mediator will sit in a room with both parties and walk them through the process, and an official negotiation could easily take days. Greenburg was just an errand boy, and nothing more.

No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals, NOTHING.....
and..... no offer of negotiation !!

Busy? Does Greenburg mean that he received a phone call from Arum on May 2nd? I am sure that is correct.

He negotiated with nobody according to Al Haymon.

The "deadline"..... was negotiated by Bob Arum with GBP, although GBP categorically deny that

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

THE DAY AFTER THE DEADLINE EXPIRED, Arum made his conference call.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

But you think that errand boy Greenburg acted as mediator in an official negotiation, without leaving his office, or attending a single meeting with either party..... and he did it all in less than 24-hours?

And who did he negotiate with? Not one single person on the face of the planet earth - including our friend Bob Arum - attended any of those meetings, or discussions.

No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals, NOTHING..... just a fake deadline, that was placed on a ****ty offer, which happened to be clearly stamped "NO NEGOTIATION"

There were no official negotiations.

Margarito is next, that's just how it is.

Smarten up you guys.

Bob Arum has been doing this for longer than most of you have been alive.

I hold two points.....

1.) Bob Arum lied, that is not even debatable, he was forced to admit it.

2.) Greenburg was most likely manipulated by Uncle Bob, but had motive, and could have lied to cover Arum. His obscure statement was hardly overflowing with information.

Either way..... there were no " negotiations ". It is impossible for official negotiations to have taken place during the two weeks that preceded Arum's bull**** "deadline" with GBP, or during the following 24 hours that led up to Arum's conference call.

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Ok *****....
Mayweather's are the face of credibility. Greenberg is just a liar....and the whole world who knew about the negotiation, and the final date....we're liars too...

hahahaha

Thank you god for the fomos... life is so funny with them.

Hey..... are you sure that there really was a second negotiation ?

The following 4 people are ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL to making that fight.....

1.) Mayweather
2.) Ellerbe
3.) Haymon
4.) Schaefer

Post me a link quoting any of those people during this " negotiation ".

Surely, one of them musta known it was taking place ?

Ya dumb kid, go watch TV.

[DominiBox]

Hey..... are you sure that there really was a second negotiation ?

The following 4 people are ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL to making that fight.....

1.) Mayweather
2.) Ellerbe
3.) Haymon
4.) Schaefer

Post me a link quoting any of those people during this " negotiation ".

Surely, one of them musta known it was taking place ?

Ya dumb kid, go watch TV.

"Negotiations, what negotiations?" ..... It's ok *****....there wasn't any negotiations. hahaha

[AeKhuban]

Sorry for the late reply

Maybe you have a reading comprehension problem cause it is quite clear you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer . I asked to be shown when Mosley has failed a drug test. Then you post this link that still doesn't show when Mosley failed a drug test. The point of it all is that people can't keep screaming Manny never failed a drug test when known ONLY BY ADDMISSION steroid user Shane Mosley has never failed a drug test and passed all the same drug tests that Manny has with steroids in his system. I AM NOT SAYING THAT MANNY USES STEROIDS. But when a person with steriods in they system passes the same tests that Manny and to be fair PBF has passed to keep screaming that Manny has passed all the tests is really a moot point.

Do you get it now?

If you read the whole article there were test results that show the increase in Mosley’s hematocrit in just two weeks. They also said "Hematocrit readings rarely fluctuate that much naturally, and usually linger in the low 40s for non-doping men. Anything over 50 will get an Olympic cyclist or marathon runner suspended from competition. Mosley jumped from 44 to 52.2 in two weeks as he prepared for the fight, according to a Sept. 28, 2007 report by Sports Illustrated".
The article even contain an explain how Mosley will pass the test.
If you read also the article on WADA, EPO is a peptide hormone that is produced naturally by the human body. So there is always the posibility that an athlete will not be caught but still the effect(red blood cells count sudden increase) can be detected .

No choice for Mosley. He has to admit it because the test shows abnormality on his red blood cell count and he can't justified that by just denying it.

True on that article it does not contain Mosley failed a test but also true that the article Mosley admitted using of EPO and how he will pass the test.

So true the best idea is the random test but in the case of Mosley other people is/are involved(Conte BALCO founder). The article also contain amount Mosley paid for the EPO. Pacquiao vs Mayweather is more than just a megafight. USADA is a trusted agency but we are talking about Million of dollars here. Some people bad mouthing both Manny and Floyd because that a lots of money they rejected. So USADA will just test Manny and Floyd blood and earn the testing fee?

In Floyd case he don't actually need the random test. What he need is blood test before the fight just like on 1st Manny vs Morales. Even his Uncle justified that.

Even the time frame is against Mayweather. He base his accusation on the first Manny and Eric fight that was March 19 2005. Year 2009 he is boasting he will not beat Manny but KO him. He never mention anything about drugs. 2010 comes Manny dominates higher division and Floyd until now he still hiding on random blood test just to suck some blood on Manny before the fight hoping he will lost against him.

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Easy for Shane to take on a roider. He's a steroid user also.

Mayweather has no reason whatsoever to fight the roidman unless he agrees to OSDT. Which he has not done. When your the biggest draw in the sport, have all the money you could ever need, and have already beaten the best for 12 years. You don't have to make concessions for anybody. Certainly not a guy who got KTFO by bums.

If Shane beats Pacroid. I'm going to die laughing.

[DominiBox]

Easy for Shane to take on a roider. He's a steroid user also.

Mayweather has no reason whatsoever to fight the roidman unless he agrees to OSDT. Which he has not done. When your the biggest draw in the sport, have all the money you could ever need, and have already beaten the best for 12 years. You don't have to make concessions for anybody. Certainly not a guy who got KTFO by bums.

If Shane beats Pacroid. I'm going to die laughing.

Of course you will *****..... You *****s dream with that day, but the only way your "papi" is on tv, is acting like criminal....

[AeKhuban]

Really? WTF?

So we should wait after the fact? Instead of probably having it come to light now and maybe stopping it NOW...We should wait years later?

What kind of logic is that?

C'mon man...Really, "just sit and wait"? You honestly think that's the best method?

I think Mosley caught years later. And he uses it in the preparation not probably on the actual fight. Manny is blood tested during his fight vs Morales. Mayweather insisting a blood test all the way to the fight although his RANDOM test with Mosley has 18 days gap prior to the fight. Uncle Roger also insist a blood test before the fight. So since Manny is blood tested March 19 2005... How many years later have past?? Going six.. Still no leak that his blood had some hematocrit abnormality.

[AeKhuban]

Actually that is ******* as people say logic. So what you are saying is that sense Jim Lampley says PBF uses xylocaine just before the fight makes it TRUE & a FACT. But when Roger and Mayweather Sr. say Manny is on steroids it is lies, slander, not true and not a fact. Ok I got you now. Thanks for letting me know how it works.

xylocaine is local anesthetic. The logic is you use it to relieve the pain. When Mayweather box will he feel the pain? Yes probably.

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"Negotiations, what negotiations?" ..... It's ok *****....there wasn't any negotiations. hahaha

Only gullible kids believe Arum's bull****

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...before-ellerbe

It's ok Domini, just wait there.....

That big kid will bring back your new shoes soon, just like he promised

ya dumb kid.

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Domini, get yourself up to speed .....

Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.

Team Mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp.

Michael Marley, the day after Arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke.

Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum's, was just as perplexed by Arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging.

He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke.

Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley.

Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in.

That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.

Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.

When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010.

Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money.

Pretty predictable.

As another example of the way Arum operates, it also turns out that "Pacquiao accepting 14 days" was just more "smoke" as part of the Arum charade.

The original quote from Pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from Pacquiao was real, but for PR purposes. Pacquiao's manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after.

To confirm the charade, only days ago, Arum was asked straight up, what drug terms Pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer.

This is a man who had an agreement with Mayweather's people? He couldn't even answer what the supposed drug agreement was?

So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out.

Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.

Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight.

Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.

That's basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.

Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for Floyd to accept his offer." Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.

Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.

In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they've worded it all very carefully.

Arum claimed that he was waiting for Mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with Greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with Greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn't work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever.

Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about "terms being agreed by both sides."

Mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press.

Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.

Golden Boy? Well Marley claims that there quite literally was a gag order. It's just the fact that the negotiations ended after about two days. You can tell when the fight fell through. Arum started talking to the media twice a day!

Marley claims that Golden Boy's position with Arum is to just let him talk, and not justify his claims with replies, safe in the knowledge that most of the sport world knows he talks out of his behind.

Arum could well find himself in a tough position, however. Dan Raphael reported that Ellerbe is not only one of the most honest guys in boxing, he's also been speaking to Greenberg regularly for weeks. These daily conversations have reportedly gone on after his claim that basically either Greenberg or Arum is a stone cold liar.

Which suggests to most that Greenberg agrees with his pronouncement.

Again, Marley is a Top Rank guy, and a noted Pacquiao backer. He reported that Arum's claims of "negotiations" and "agreements" were phony, days before any Mayweather person made any comment.

Mayweather's guy's wording is probably a bit controversial, and not 100 percent true, but both Marley and Ellebre are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.

Arum completely and utterly exaggerated all claims of "agreements," "deals," "contracts," and "negotiations."

HAS THE PENNY DROPPED YET KID?