Would Jack Dempsey beat Wladimir Klitschko?

[BigStereotype]

Willard didn't punch his weight, was about 36-7 hadn't fought for a few years except a fe "exhibitions", and was never much good anyway.
Jack Johnson, 37 years old, 6" shorter, fat, out of shape, battered him all over the ring for 25 rounds but gave out in the 26th. It was arranged as a 45 rd fight, in other words a fight to a finish and there was NO WAY anyone was going to let Johnson win.

It's all in the records and reports, as well as many books, even films.

He literally killed a man with an uppercut. Didn't punch his weight?

[BostonGuy]

Dempsey knocked out Willard who was Wladdy's size and Wladdy has a suspect chin and doesn't like pressure.

I think its at least even money.

I don't think Dempsey would have a shot against Vitali so I won't ask about him.

Can you upload some youtube vids of Dempsey? I haven't seen enough of him to make an informed decision..

[BigStereotype]

Can you upload some youtube vids of Dempsey? I haven't seen enough of him to make an informed decision..

[Steak]

Willard was not that good of a win for Dempsey. He was coming off a two year long layoff.

the real giant that Dempsey destroyed and has an impressive win was over Fulton, who was about 6'7 and a top fighter.

[Steak]

Boxing is not decided by who is the more athletic. You take the most athletic guy in the world and he would be destroyed in boxing. There are countless champions in boxing that have been out of shape and unathletic...Nicolino Locche comes to mind.

besides, a fat former middleweight was a top 3 fighter at one point at HW only a few years ago.


small and unathletic? yea, HW James Toney fits that bill. didnt stop him from being a top fighter in the division.


old time fighters CAN be overrated by some. but sometimes photos of them dont do justice to how athletic they were in the first place. bad quality can be very misleading. heres an example:

they dont appear very athletic, do they? but when you watch it in HD...


you can see their muslce definition much more clearly, and they look in very good shape now, dont they?

If Corrie Sanders was in Jack Dempsey's time...he would be the fastest man on the planet. Thats just a fact. Corrie Sanders...would have had the world record 100 m dash time when Dempsey is at his prime. That just shows the disparity in quality in athletes there is today from then.

also, how you perform in track means very little in boxing terms. do you really think sprinters could do anything in boxing?

[edgarg]

He literally killed a man with an uppercut. Didn't punch his weight?

The guy had been badly injured in his previous fight and was teetering on ther grave/I think he also had a bad head accident.

[Bastian Loc]

If Corrie Sanders was in Jack Dempsey's time...he would be the fastest man on the planet. Thats just a fact. Corrie Sanders...would have had the world record 100 m dash time when Dempsey is at his prime. That just shows the disparity in quality in athletes there is today from then.

I'm not even sure if this is true anyway.

Some of those old timers were fighting 25 round fights and sometimes more. The film might not be hbo HD quality but its good enough to see that these guys weren't the weaklings everyone tries to make them out to be.

[Die Antwoord]

I'm not even sure if this is true anyway.

Some of those old timers were fighting 25 round fights and sometimes more. The film might not be hbo HD quality but its good enough to see that these guys weren't the weaklings everyone tries to make them out to be.

its true Corre Sanders, who many considered out of shape and not a great athlete ran a 10.7 100 m dash while in high school. A 17 year old Corrie Sanders would have been the fastest man on earth back then. And depending on the age of the old timey fight, sometimes a round ended with a knock down, sometimes they didnt have 3 minute rounds and often they stood in a ring and did stand up wresting (jack johnson).

[The Hammer]

even Peter was unproven against anyone...he only entered the rankings after his fight with Wladimir.

At that time, Sam Peter was ranked higher than Wlad by the WBA and the WBO.

Sam was WBO #3, WBC #3, WBA #4 and IBF #5 before he fought Wlad.

http://www.boxnews.com.ua/en/ratings/WBA/All/08-2005

And Peter was ahead of Wlad in the Ring rankings:

By Ring Magazine, thering-online.com (September 15, 2005)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dPpwhqYQ-icJ:www.doghouseboxing.com/Ring/Ring091505.htm+2005+September+Ring+%22doghouseboxing.com%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&source=www.google.ca

HEAVYWEIGHTS
Weight Unlimited
Champ: VITALI KLITSCHKO
Ukraine 35-2 (34)
1. CHRIS BYRD
Flint, MI 38-2-1 (20)
2. JOHN RUIZ
Methuen, MA 41-5-1 (28)
3. HASIM RAHMAN
Baltimore, MD 41-5-1 (33)
4. JAMES TONEY
Ann Arbor, MI 68-4-2 (43)
5. LAMON BREWSTER
Los Angeles, CA 32-2 (28)
6. MONTE BARRETT
Queens, NY 31-4 (17)
7. CALVIN BROCK
Charlotte, NC 26-0 (21)
8. SAMUEL PETER
Las Vegas, NV 24-0 (21)
9. WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO
Ukraine 44-3 (40)
10. JAMEEL McCLINE
Clifton, NJ 32-5-3 (20)

[Sweet Jesus]

How can people judge a fighter based on a handful of black and white clips? I mean there are guys posting on BoxingScene that don't have a clue about pre-2007 boxing, and you made a poll regarding a fighter that fought in the '10s and '20s?