D.Rafael: "Floyd would TOY with Tito Trinidad and he would beat JCC as well"

[Khalid X]

I think the majority of Floyds legacy, once he retires, is going to be what he could have done or "He would have beaten fighter A if he would have fought him".

IMHO that's kinda pathetic and a sad way to go out.

Ohh well have fun with this as Floyd is the G.O.A.T. when it comes to fantasy fights.

[RubenSonny]

I think Dan is dead wrong. Kinda sounds like Dan is either talking out of his ass or he's just giving an opinion just for the sake of giving one.

Floyd's defense is nothing like Pernell's defense. Pernell avoided punches all together, Floyd gets hit, but just on his guard. But his head always gets tagged when he fights a fast handed fighter. Judah got him until Judah faded, Mosley was the same, and Oscar met Floyd punch for punch, completely handled Mayweather with just his jab.

Trinidad, Chavez, prime Mosley, Vernon Forrest, prime Oscar, even someone like Miguel Cotto would be far from a definite W for Floyd. I mean Floyd avoided Cotto at all costs.

I think Floyd's defense is over-rated, just in the sense that it's depicted as "untouchable." But every fighter, including Floyd, that tries to hide their head behind their shoulder are usually suckers for straight rights and jabs cause they clip the top of the head every time. Not to mention Floyd's body is there to be hit in every fight.

I think Floyd's best attributes toward his defense are his reflexes, not the fact he hides his head behind his shoulder. His reflexes are what let him move his body in time to roll a punch off his shoulder to begin with. But if he's fighting someone like Judah or Mosley or Oscar (his most recent steps up) each of them are renowned for hand speed and each of them showed success against Floyd's "defense", until they lost stamina.

Floyd's defense is not as good as Pernells was thats for sure, but this post is absolute bullcrap. I don't think anyone could knock Pernell out or come close but he got hit on a fair few occasions and you'd know that if you'd watched his fights but you clearly haven't. Also Pernells defense was more based on reflexes than Floyd. Oscar did not meet Floyd punch for punch neither did he handle him with his jab, he won about 3 rounds and 4 if your HBO commentary or his relative, if he handled him he would of one, Floyd just went into relax mode, how about you watch Whitaker-McGirt. Both Floyd and Cotto showed no real interest in fighting each other when it was most relevant and Floyd showed interest at 140 but Cotto felt he was not ready. Trying to mock Floyds defense is ******ed, no fighter is untouchable you just talk pure ****.

[Alex_Hayden]

Floyd's defense is not as good as Pernells was thats for sure, but this post is absolute bullcrap. I don't think anyone could knock Pernell out or come close but he got hit on a fair few occasions and you'd know that if you'd watched his fights but you clearly haven't. Also Pernells defense was more based on reflexes than Floyd. Oscar did not meet Floyd punch for punch neither did he handle him with his jab, he won about 3 rounds and 4 if your HBO commentary or his relative, if he handled him he would of one, Floyd just went into relax mode, how about you watch Whitaker-McGirt. Both Floyd and Cotto showed no real interest in fighting each other when it was most relevant and Floyd showed interest at 140 but Cotto felt he was not ready. Trying to mock Floyds defense is ******ed, no fighter is untouchable you just talk pure ****.

I'm speaking in general. Pernell's defense was based off the fact he would avoid punches all together. His elusiveness is what the **** I'm talking about you **** wit. Floyd's defense is based off his guard, so much so that his body is always there to take a beating. When NONE of Pernell was there to take a beating, generally. Obviously Pernell has been hit before, you dumb ass lol, this is boxing after all. And no **** Pernell's defense was based off his reflexes, I never said it wasn't you ****in idiot.

And Oscar met Floyd punch for punch all the way to the final bell, the last exchange was them meeting punch for punch, Floyd had no where to lean back because Oscar had reach on him all night. Oscar beat on Floyd's guard for the most part, but those body shots were landing flush and those count in my book as points. As for Oscar's jab it was in Floyd's face just about when ever Oscar wanted it to be and as long as he was throwing it. And you're saying he only won 3 rounds against Floyd? Do yourself a favor and just pretend to watch fights you might be able to come up with a more accurate assessment than the dumb **** your coming up with now.

[yeykax]

Floyd would had never stepped in the ring with a prime Chavez or Tito case closed

[RubenSonny]

I'm speaking in general. Pernell's defense was based off the fact he would avoid punches all together. His elusiveness is what the **** I'm talking about you **** wit. Floyd's defense is based off his guard, so much so that his body is always there to take a beating. When NONE of Pernell was there to take a beating, generally. Obviously Pernell has been hit before, you dumb ass lol, this is boxing after all. And no **** Pernell's defense was based off his reflexes, I never said it wasn't you ****in idiot.

And Oscar met Floyd punch for punch all the way to the final bell, the last exchange was them meeting punch for punch, Floyd had no where to lean back because Oscar had reach on him all night. Oscar beat on Floyd's guard for the most part, but those body shots were landing flush and those count in my book as points. As for Oscar's jab it was in Floyd's face just about when ever Oscar wanted it to be and as long as he was throwing it. And you're saying he only won 3 rounds against Floyd? Do yourself a favor and just pretend to watch fights you might be able to come up with a more accurate assessment than the dumb **** your coming up with now.

for the baby that you are, and Oscar landed about 3 flush punches on Floyd in that fight, LOL that exchange at the end lasted for a few seconds and was the only time that Oscar met him punch for punch, using that as an example is very special of you. It's great how you've tried to vaguely change what you said because you got called out, them tricks don't work on me, the fact that you tryed to mock Floyds defense shows your lack of knowledge. No wonder your in the red

[Alex_Hayden]

for the baby that you are, and Oscar landed about 3 flush punches on Floyd in that fight, LOL that exchange at the end lasted for a few seconds and was the only time that Oscar met him punch for punch, using that as an example is very special of you. It's great how you've tried to vaguely change what you said because you got called out, them tricks don't work on me, the fact that you tryed to mock Floyds defense shows your lack of knowledge. No wonder your in the red

Me "vaguely" changing what I said is just me dumbing it down for your slow ass, nothing I typed was changed. I mean other than the fact I held your hand and walked you through my post like a small child and pointed out your incoherent and useless ability to read, yeah, aside from that nothingwas changed

And honestly, no bull****, I think you'd have more success watching boxing if you attempted to watch it through the eyes of a ****** by shoving your head up his ass and wearing him as a pair of bifocals

[RubenSonny]

Me "vaguely" changing what I said is just me dumbing it down for your slow ass, nothing I typed was changed. I mean other than the fact I held your hand and walked you through my post like a small child and pointed out your incoherent and useless ability to read, yeah, aside from that nothingwas changed

And honestly, no bull****, I think you'd have more success watching boxing if you attempted to watch it through the eyes of a ****** by shoving your head up his ass and wearing him as a pair of bifocals

Don't let your emotions show when someone calls you on your ****, be consistent with your trolling

[studentofthegam]

Ive watched it multiple times. you must have missed key points in the fight where Duran kept rocking Leonard with his right hand over Leonard's jab and timing his shots at mid range?

7:09

4:30

also, judging a fighter based solely on one fight is...not smart. ie Hagler agaisnt Hearns, which is a problem a lot of people make. Duran was mostly a counter puncher, although he loved to fight on the inside as well. Depended who the opponent was.

Man its ok to add something to it but why didnt you put up the clip of Hatton. Particularly the fight with Mayweather. Prove your point with examples. Please do better than your buddy Walt did. Mayweather/Hatton Duran/Leonard.

well, its dumb to match up Chavez and Mayweather at WW when the were both better at 140/135lbs. At Welterweight it would probably be a toss up then because Chavez wasnt really suited to the weight, but to be fair by the time he got to Welterweight he was going downhill.

You take a prime Chavez and put him at 147lbs, I dont think the extra weight would ruin him, but he probably would be slightly worse.

Castillos body was very lanky and stretched out. Chavez wasnt exactly the most muscular guy, but he looked a lot more solid than Castillo. regardless, physique doesnt necessarily define how strong someone is, and Chavez has shown the ability to push opponents around at a heavier weight, something Castillo was never able to do.

So now the worst Chavez is a toss up with Floyd. OMG. Im done with you on this subject. I see now.

This is why I never log on to espn's boxing page.

Take ya ass back then

look at what happened to Meldrick Taylor after that fight with Chavez

he was beating Chavez throughout the majority of the fight but Chavez's shots were breaking him up and eventually wore him down

Taylor was literally never the same after that

not saying it would happen but how can we say that wouldn't happen to Floyd? he's never been in with anyone close to a prime Chavez imo

and no way would he toy with tito at 147 nobody toyed with trinidad at that weight and he was in with some solid comp

Floyd would wipe the Floor with Meldrick Taylor. And no he wouldnt toy with Trinidad. He would knock him the *** out.

[IronDanHamza]

now we're getting caught up in particulars. it was you or iron dan that said that floyd was some sort of top lw, possibly atg. i already explained my atg qualifications. i think floyd falls just short right now because of all the comp he left behind. he cleaned out 130, when 130 was arguably weak, but he cleaned it out and that I respect.

I also said that i think floyd could be atg with one more real deal win. if I need to say who i think those fighters are, I will. is that the point we're arguing?

I don't know why you're keeping on this, i never said you were wrong to feel the way you do, I just argued some of the particulars. i think floyd's defining fights- corrales/castillo are too long ago and he's just been coasting since.

I also already listed the three fighter active fighters I have ahead of floyd and there are a couple I think are neck in neck with floyd

gotta bounce for valentines weekend with the missus, the baby is gone.

I actually said nothing of the sort. Neither did RubenSonny.

He said Castillo is an ATG LW, to which I respectfully disagreed.

[studentofthegam]

BIG RUBE why cant they see whats in front of them