D.Rafael: "Floyd would TOY with Tito Trinidad and he would beat JCC as well"

[RubenSonny]

it tells you he's not that strong, and definitely not stronger than jcc.

Erm....no it doesn't at all, we are comparing JLC against a LW Floyd to a WW Chavez against a WW Floyd. Floyd is much stronger at WW and LWW than at LW, which is an example which contradicts your earlier post. Castillo was could not fight at 140 because he was shot by then, come on Walt your better than this, Hatton clearly the stronger man then Pac at 140, who's better at WW? This is easy stuff.

[Walt Liquor]

Please tell me where I said Floyd was an ATG LW? And tell me what is an ATG then? Also when I refer to someone as an ATG in a weight-class, I'm not necessarily claiiming them to be an ATG, Castillo for instance.

now we're getting caught up in particulars. it was you or iron dan that said that floyd was some sort of top lw, possibly atg.

i already explained my atg qualifications. i think floyd falls just short right now because of all the comp he left behind. he cleaned out 130, when 130 was arguably weak, but he cleaned it out and that I respect.

I also said that i think floyd could be atg with one more real deal win. if I need to say who i think those fighters are, I will. is that the point we're arguing?

I don't know why you're keeping on this, i never said you were wrong to feel the way you do, I just argued some of the particulars. i think floyd's defining fights- corrales/castillo are too long ago and he's just been coasting since.

I also already listed the three fighter active fighters I have ahead of floyd and there are a couple I think are neck in neck with floyd

gotta bounce for valentines weekend with the missus, the baby is gone.

[Walt Liquor]

Erm....no it doesn't at all, we are comparing JLC against a LW Floyd to a WW Chavez against a WW Floyd. Floyd is much stronger at WW and LWW than at LW, which is an example which contradicts your earlier post. Castillo was could not fight at 140 because he was shot by then, come on Walt your better than this, Hatton clearly the stronger man then Pac at 140, who's better at WW? This is easy stuff.

read the beginning of the thread. i said floyd is strong for a ww. in the beginning of the thread I said i got floyd at 147, jcc lighter or toss up.

I was only comparing jlc and jcc strength wise

[Bastian Loc]

This is why I never log on to espn's boxing page.

[americanbot]

wait what? which Mayweather? Jr was 16 or 17 years old when Chavez and Randall fought.

this is what you don't get. jr. was 17 years of age when he would spar with randall. randall beat chavez at 140 thats around the exact same time jr. & randall would spar. mayweather was clearly better then randall so he would take it easy on randall in sparring.....(he didn't want randall to kick him out)

[Steak]

******. a all around defensive "style" is DIFFERENT from a defensive "guard" MORON. i pointed out that it was a PHILLY shell in what roger was using in that last vid.....A philly shell doesn't = the same defensive style as mayweather u IMBICILE. anyone can throw up a "philly" shell. i guess oscar & mayweather had the same defensive styles too huh. yea oscar & floyd had the same defensive styles....so does agbeko & floyd YEEEEEhahaha. the 2nd roger chavez bout roger clearly fought most of that fight on his toes behind a jab...throwing up your hands in a certain way doensn't = floyds defensive style.

you are beyond ******ED kido.

fine, pretend if you want. Lets talk about his guard then. Roger had the same guard as does Jr. Chavez figured out how to get around it. If you cant see that Jr and Roger had alike guards, then theres no hope for you. Roger taught that style to Floyd.

youre so in love with Floyd you think he has a purely unique style of defense, that no one comes close to and no one has done before. reality is, others have used his style before plenty of times...most alike are his family members. like Roger Mayweather, his trainer.

and congratulations! you made yourself look like an idiot all by yourself, without any of my help. learn how to spell imbecile before calling someone it.

[Steak]

this is what you don't get. jr. was 17 years of age when he would spar with randall. randall beat chavez at 140 thats around the exact same time jr. & randall would spar. mayweather was clearly better then randall so he would take it easy on randall in sparring.....(he didn't want randall to kick him out)

first of all, I dont believe it, since Mayweather was not very good at 17.
and second of all...

sparring stories can be extremely misleading, and even when theyre true dont actually mean anything since you dont actually know the situation nor does it reflect on who is the better fighter in the real ring.

[TuRoK'em]

fine, pretend if you want. Lets talk about his guard then. Roger had the same guard as does Jr. Chavez figured out how to get around it. If you cant see that Jr and Roger had alike guards, then theres no hope for you. Roger taught that style to Floyd.

youre so in love with Floyd you think he has a purely unique style of defense, that no one comes close to and no one has done before. reality is, others have used his style before plenty of times...most alike are his family members. like Roger Mayweather, his trainer.

and congratulations! you made yourself look like an idiot all by yourself, without any of my help. learn how to spell imbecile before calling someone it.

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[RubenSonny]

read the beginning of the thread. i said floyd is strong for a ww. in the beginning of the thread I said i got floyd at 147, jcc lighter or toss up.

I was only comparing jlc and jcc strength wise

now we're getting caught up in particulars. it was you or iron dan that said that floyd was some sort of top lw, possibly atg.

i already explained my atg qualifications. i think floyd falls just short right now because of all the comp he left behind. he cleaned out 130, when 130 was arguably weak, but he cleaned it out and that I respect.

I also said that i think floyd could be atg with one more real deal win. if I need to say who i think those fighters are, I will. is that the point we're arguing?

I don't know why you're keeping on this, i never said you were wrong to feel the way you do, I just argued some of the particulars. i think floyd's defining fights- corrales/castillo are too long ago and he's just been coasting since.

I also already listed the three fighter active fighters I have ahead of floyd and there are a couple I think are neck in neck with floyd

gotta bounce for valentines weekend with the missus, the baby is gone.

We are not getting caught up in particulars I said JLC was an ATG LW and that Floyd beat him, I also said that Floyd was an ATG 130lber, Your writ me a paragraoh explaining that Floyd wasn't an ATG LW something I definately agree with.

I'm not tryna get on you about anything dude, but okay lets just agree to disagree. I thought my points on weight were all justified though. Have a nice weekend with your woman, man, peace Walt.

[RubenSonny]

wait what? which Mayweather? Jr was 16 or 17 years old when Chavez and Randall fought.

Yup they did spar together, he stayed at Randalls house for a bit, I wasn't being serious though, it was in reference to your dumbass TT thread.