Comments Thread For: Pacquiao Could Target Berto's Title in The Near Future

[ThePrince]

Berto knocks pac out cold, pac is a face first brawler, berto is too young too fresh and hits too hard the complete opposite of everybody pac fights, its a fight well never see because frankly pac doesnt have the balls.nor do his team want a surefire loss.

Seriously?

The highlight of Berto's underwhelming career would be lasting more than 6 rounds against Pac. Let's see Andre grow the balls to fight Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, etc instead of Freddy Hernandez and Steve Forbes then we can talk about him KO'ing Manny. **** outta here.

[The Big Dunn]

Bradley is a top prime 140-lber no doubt, but what the hell has Berto done at 147 to make that claim? Struggle against Quintana?





I am, Berto has done nothing to distinguish himself in Boxing and is no more of a threat to Manny than Chavez is, probably less because of the size difference. And for all the people who get hard over meaningless undefeated records, 42-0>27-0. Plus Chavez is 100X the draw Berto is. Not saying I want to see Pacquiao-Chavez, but you'd have to work really hard to make a case that Pacquiao-Berto would be a bigger fight.





Pacquiao only fought once at 140 and took the lineal championship away from Hatton in one of the most memorable one punch KOs ever in just 2 one-sided rounds. I think his legacy there is sealed, however brief the campaign was



I know that. But there's a lot of people out there who think just because Marquez gave two good showings against Manny years ago at 125-130 that it would be the same against today's Pac at 147. These people are gravely mistaken.

But the history between the two would make for an easy promotion and it's probably the most lucrative fight out there, especially now that Marquez is pulling a Mosley.

Personally I don't think anyone out there right now from 135-147 can pose any real threat to Pac, so any fight is technically a waste of time... but a lot of people wouldn't mind having their time wasted by a Pac-Marquez trilogy or maybe even Pac-Bradley, Berto, Chavez, etc. If the Clottey and Margarito fights proved anything, it's that people want to see Manny fight, regardless of who it is. Same thing will happen in May- lots of whining about boycotts, etc than the returns will come in and it'll be another blockbuster.

I think too much stock is given to Pac for beating Clottey (bum) Margarito ( 151 seriously) and Cotto (145). Pac is a likeable guy, great story, and a great fighter. But beating these guys, given the circumstances for each fight, should raise more questions.

[Twako]

I think too much stock is given to Pac for beating Clottey (bum) Margarito ( 151 seriously) and Cotto (145). Pac is a likeable guy, great story, and a great fighter. But beating these guys, given the circumstances for each fight, should raise more questions.

maybe you forgot PAC came all the way from flyweight. and gave up probably 10-17lbs against these top guys at WW. name another fighter from flyweight, or even at LW who'd give these 3 guys an ass whoopin. floyd stutters when asked about cotto and margarito

[jrosales13]

Bradley is a top prime 140-lber no doubt, but what the hell has Berto done at 147 to make that claim? Struggle against Quintana?

Berto is a top 3 WW. If not tell me who's ahead of him?

I am, Berto has done nothing to distinguish himself in Boxing and is no more of a threat to Manny than Chavez is, probably less because of the size difference. And for all the people who get hard over meaningless undefeated records, 42-0>27-0. Plus Chavez is 100X the draw Berto is. Not saying I want to see Pacquiao-Chavez, but you'd have to work really hard to make a case that Pacquiao-Berto would be a bigger fight.

If you're really serious trying to compare JCC jr to Berto than not only am I disappointed in you and your knowledge. But, I wouldn't even know what to say to that.

Berto is a legit top 3 WW, JCC Jr is not legit top 10 in any weight-class. Jr best win is Duddy FFS's, Jr gets booed in his home country because of his piss poor performance against the likes of Lyell man, Jr goes life and death with Matt Vanda...Matt "F'ing" Vanda man. Say what you want about Quintana, Collazo, or even Hernandez they're better than the 3 names I have mentioned man.

Seriously it's fanboyism to try and compare the two.

Pacquiao only fought once at 140 and took the lineal championship away from Hatton in one of the most memorable one punch KOs ever in just 2 one-sided rounds. I think his legacy there is sealed, however brief the campaign was

But, Bradley now is a better fighter than what that Hatton was. Bradley now is P4P level fighter, Hatton wasn't. Bradley is a prime fighter, Hatton wasn't. And, going 2-0 at 140 with the likes of Hatton and Bradley who have two different styles and attributes would be further proof of Pac greatness. And, again Bradley at 140 is the best available opponent not named Mayweather or Martinez. Is he not?

I know that. But there's a lot of people out there who think just because Marquez gave two good showings against Manny years ago at 125-130 that it would be the same against today's Pac at 147. These people are gravely mistaken.

Exactly, those people are idiots why even bother with them. If the fight doesn't happen at 135 then it shouldn't happen.

But the history between the two would make for an easy promotion and it's probably the most lucrative fight out there, especially now that Marquez is pulling a Mosley.

Probably, but so what? I'm a fan why should I care about that?

Personally I don't think anyone out there right now from 135-147 can pose any real threat to Pac, so any fight is technically a waste of time... but a lot of people wouldn't mind having their time wasted by a Pac-Marquez trilogy or maybe even Pac-Bradley, Berto, Chavez, etc. If the Clottey and Margarito fights proved anything, it's that people want to see Manny fight, regardless of who it is. Same thing will happen in May- lots of whining about boycotts, etc than the returns will come in and it'll be another blockbuster.

Here is the thing, I'm not inconsistent. I'm a fan of boxing foremost than any particular fighter. I don't give any fighter a pass. I didn't give Floyd a pass when he didn't fight the best available and I won't give Pac a pass when he doesn't fight the best available. And, I actually did give Pac a pass for Margarito because of Pac strong run from 08 to 09. There wasn't a run like that since Tito 99-01 run. However, you have to get back and put in work. Pac is not putting in work right now.

I don't care how many PPVs you sell, I don't care how much millions you make. If I'm not getting a cut of the pie then I don't care about none of that. Is not a good excuse to me. As a fan I want you to fight the best available period.

I don't know when exactly did this happen. But, Pac fans became just like Floyd fans. And, your post is a great example of that.

Both extremist fans are alike and it's crazy and kind of sucky...I don't know when this happen but it did.

And, your post is a perfect example.

When fans asked Floyd to fight the best available. Floyd fans came to his defense with "what does he bring to the table" "so and so fighter is more money" that was their excuse and this is the excuse you're using.

When fans asked Floyd fight a top fighter. Floyd fans came to his defense with "Floyd will beat him easily, not a threat easy work" same damn excuse that you're using.

I'm baffled to how Pac fans became just like Floyd fans using the same excuse and same dumb logic.

Fact is fights are not won on paper they're won in the ring. Fight the best available. All the other nonsense is just excuses to not make it happen.

[jrosales13]

I think too much stock is given to Pac for beating Clottey (bum) Margarito ( 151 seriously) and Cotto (145). Pac is a likeable guy, great story, and a great fighter. But beating these guys, given the circumstances for each fight, should raise more questions.

Not a bum at all man.

[Kagami Taiga]

Berto is a top 3 WW. If not tell me who's ahead of him?



If you're really serious trying to compare JCC jr to Berto than not only am I disappointed in you and your knowledge. But, I wouldn't even know what to say to that.

Berto is a legit top 3 WW, JCC Jr is not legit top 10 in any weight-class. Jr best win is Duddy FFS's, Jr gets booed in his home country because of his piss poor performance against the likes of Lyell man, Jr goes life and death with Matt Vanda...Matt "F'ing" Vanda man. Say what you want about Quintana, Collazo, or even Hernandez they're better than the 3 names I have mentioned man.

Seriously it's fanboyism to try and compare the two.



But, Bradley now is a better fighter than what that Hatton was. Bradley now is P4P level fighter, Hatton wasn't. Bradley is a prime fighter, Hatton wasn't. And, going 2-0 at 140 with the likes of Hatton and Bradley who have two different styles and attributes would be further proof of Pac greatness. And, again Bradley at 140 is the best available opponent not named Mayweather or Martinez. Is he not?



Exactly, those people are idiots why even bother with them. If the fight doesn't happen at 135 then it shouldn't happen.



Probably, but so what? I'm a fan why should I care about that?



Here is the thing, I'm not inconsistent. I'm a fan of boxing foremost than any particular fighter. I don't give any fighter a pass. I didn't give Floyd a pass when he didn't fight the best available and I won't give Pac a pass when he doesn't fight the best available. And, I actually did give Pac a pass for Margarito because of Pac strong run from 08 to 09. There wasn't a run like that since Tito 99-01 run. However, you have to get back and put in work. Pac is not putting in work right now.

I don't care how many PPVs you sell, I don't care how much millions you make. If I'm not getting a cut of the pie then I don't care about none of that. Is not a good excuse to me. As a fan I want you to fight the best available period.

I don't know when exactly did this happen. But, Pac fans became just like Floyd fans. And, your post is a great example of that.

Both extremist fans are alike and it's crazy and kind of sucky...I don't know when this happen but it did.

And, your post is a perfect example.

When fans asked Floyd to fight the best available. Floyd fans came to his defense with "what does he bring to the table" "so and so fighter is more money" that was their excuse and this is the excuse you're using.

When fans asked Floyd fight a top fighter. Floyd fans came to his defense with "Floyd will beat him easily, not a threat easy work" same damn excuse that you're using.

I'm baffled to how Pac fans became just like Floyd fans using the same excuse and same dumb logic.

Fact is fights are not won on paper they're won in the ring. Fight the best available. All the other nonsense is just excuses to not make it happen.

post of the day!! green k man!

[ThePrince]

I think too much stock is given to Pac for beating Clottey (bum) Margarito ( 151 seriously) and Cotto (145). Pac is a likeable guy, great story, and a great fighter. But beating these guys, given the circumstances for each fight, should raise more questions.

How is a guy who was a featherweight in '08 beating a bonafide WW killer in Cotto in '09, Clottey and Margarito (147-150) in '10 constitute anything less than a remarkable achievement? Especially the manner with which he did it. If after the second Marquez fight I told you a FW would take on those guys in succession, you would've said it was suicide (like most did on this board and elsewhere). Floyd Sr still can't believe it

It's funny how a few ass whoopings changes perception.

But I guess if he fought Freddy Hernandez or blew up some LWs it would be a lot more impressive.

[The Big Dunn]

Jrosales:

Is Berto top 3 because of his skills and wins or beacuse he is backed by the HBO machine?

[boxingfan76]

Bradley is a top prime 140-lber no doubt, but what the hell has Berto done at 147 to make that claim? Struggle against Quintana?





I am, Berto has done nothing to distinguish himself in Boxing and is no more of a threat to Manny than Chavez is, probably less because of the size difference. And for all the people who get hard over meaningless undefeated records, 42-0>27-0. Plus Chavez is 100X the draw Berto is. Not saying I want to see Pacquiao-Chavez, but you'd have to work really hard to make a case that Pacquiao-Berto would be a bigger fight.





Pacquiao only fought once at 140 and took the lineal championship away from Hatton in one of the most memorable one punch KOs ever in just 2 one-sided rounds. I think his legacy there is sealed, however brief the campaign was



I know that. But there's a lot of people out there who think just because Marquez gave two good showings against Manny years ago at 125-130 that it would be the same against today's Pac at 147. These people are gravely mistaken.

But the history between the two would make for an easy promotion and it's probably the most lucrative fight out there, especially now that Marquez is pulling a Mosley.

Personally I don't think anyone out there right now from 135-147 can pose any real threat to Pac, so any fight is technically a waste of time... but a lot of people wouldn't mind having their time wasted by a Pac-Marquez trilogy or maybe even Pac-Bradley, Berto, Chavez, etc. If the Clottey and Margarito fights proved anything, it's that people want to see Manny fight, regardless of who it is. Same thing will happen in May- lots of whining about boycotts, etc than the returns will come in and it'll be another blockbuster.

uhh if marquez was an easy fight for manroid pac would be facing marquez, since when does pac fight live threats???last time he fought a great fighter was jmm. and the margs and clottey fights proved pac has zero defense and stands a great shot of losing if he ever steps up to fighting elite guys like himself.
its sooo funny all these arguments in favor of pac fighting "names" who really gives a crap ??? are u bob arum? are u manroid thats makin all the money??? no. saying that berto doesnt deseve a shot at "pac the god" is soo ******!!! so lemme get this staight margs deserves a shot after being suspended for 2 years and getting kod? and cotto deserves a shot for being brutally kod?? and mosley winless in two years deserves a shot for being 40 and looking like shiatt?? but berto A REAL welterweight champion he doesnt deserve a shot cuz this or that , cuz he struggled against quintana??? what a crock of shiaat!!manroid lost twice to jmm and was awarded a gift 1point win, maybe he should never fight because he struggled against jmm?? ****** right?? the REAL reason all u pac clowns dont want pac to fight berto is because you know damn well berto could ko your boy out cold!!! its a risk you dont want to see your boy take instead your happy with whim fighting guys that are old shot washed up and facing retirement. basically bums with names. look at bertos last fight then mosleys, then look at how pac ate 220 of margaritos slow ass shots for 12 rnds. who looked more impressive ???BERTO DID!and berto faced an undefeated ko punching guy so u cant even say pac or mosley fought better comp.anybody thats a top guy like berto, martinez, wiliams anybody mayweather, theres nothing but roadblocks and excuses as to why this so called pnd for pnd best wont fight them , too big, too unknown , no random drug tests, if you cant see pac is a protected and handled fighter then u dont know boxing. and get that clowns pic away from TRUE greats robinson,ali and louis those guys actually fought the best opposition when they were in their primes unlike pacroid whom never fights the best only washed up names.when was the last time even scored a ko, hatton??? after floyd kod him first??? when a guy whos supposed ta be the best eats 220 shots to the head like pac did in the margs fight its no coincidence that they want to protect him and keep ducking the top guys like berto, and martinez and anybody else like angulo or anybody in their prime and winning.there is no legitimate excuse whatsoever as to why pac shouldnt fight berto at all.if they hyped a clottey and margs fight succsesully and now an even insulting garbage matchup against mosley then theres is absolutley no reason to not fight berto , dont want lose is more like it.

[The Big Dunn]

How is a guy who was a featherweight in '08 beating a bonafide WW killer in Cotto in '09, Clottey and Margarito (147-150) in '10 constitute anything less than a remarkable achievement? Especially the manner with which he did it. If after the second Marquez fight I told you a FW would take on those guys in succession, you would've said it was suicide (like most did on this board and elsewhere). Floyd Sr still can't believe it

It's funny how a few ass whoopings changes perception.

But I guess if he fought Freddy Hernandez or blew up some LWs it would be a lot more impressive.

I'm more impressed by beating better fighters not bigger ones. The one good fighter on that list, Cotto, was not able to fight at the ww max of 147. And before you say it, if it wasn't a big deal, why did Manny make the max 145?

Manny is also being compared to Floyd his only real contemporary. Floyd consistently fought the best at the time at the weight except at 140 with Gatti. Castillo, corrales, zab, ODH. Manny has not done that at 130, 147, or 154.

Manny is a great fighter no doubt, But because he is more popular than floyd doesn't mean the bar for his achievements should be lower than floyd's. They should be equal.