Comments Thread For: Wladimir Klitschko on David Haye's legacy: 'What legacy?'
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i really do half believe that klitschkos are so media worried,and so image focused that they would have a few people stream boxing forums and back them up no matter what!.lol.
they love to portay the image of them both being humanitarian,gentlemen,who respect thier opponents and the boxing world.
clearly some of thier language and comments towards opponents have been rude,arrogant,damn right disrespectful,and far from gentleman like!.Comment
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Ok can we stop with hte name calling and I may not be a Haye fan at the moment ,but I cannot cal;l any fighter a coward especially a heavy weight(when you get into a ring and have a 220pound man trying to knock your head off takes a bit of courage)/ But I do believe Haye is not confident that he can in fact beat a Klitschko brother. and the fact is was Haye who canceled the fights all 3 times ,for what ever reasond he gives. I am loggin off now its late here I have to drive a friend home.To you guys that are Haye fans no hard feelings ok. AND to the Wlad and Vitali fans, lets hope that HAYE changes his mind for july 2nd signs on then we can see what is really going to play out. and to all we should be boxing fans first.We can argue but all the insults just seems a bit over the top to me.Last edited by jknightx; 02-08-2011, 08:16 AM.Comment
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Haye's weak resume:
- blatantly ducked the Klitschkos and every other top HW.
- got knocked down and badly hurt by old shot glass chinned Barrett, who was coming off a 2nd round KO loss to tomato can Cliff Couser.
- struggled and lost rounds to 40 year old shot to pieces Ruiz, who was landing SLOW JABS AT WILL and slow right hands on the defenceless vulnerable Haye. Haye was stunned, hurt and the ropes saved him from getting knocked down. He should've been disqualified for excessive illegal rabbit punches.
- looked awful against 40 year old tomato can bum Fraudley, who didn't even throw a single punch and took a dive. Fraudley should've retired 4 years ago after he got brutally KTFO in 3 rounds by journeyman Sprott. Sprott did better against Fraudley than Haye did lol.
- ran like a scared little girl from old slow Valuev the whole fight and set the all time record for fewest punches thown in a 12 round fight. Haye onlty threw 143 punches in 12 rounds...PATHETIC. That was a boring, unwatchable, awful, cowardly, pathetic performance by that pussy Haye. Valuev got robbed. Even the biased British commentators had Valuev winning the fight. Even Grandpa Holyfield did much better against Valuev than Haye did.
Wlad destroyed the REAL WBA HW Champ undefeated Ruslan Chagaev, who clearly beat Prime Valuev in impressive fashion.
Haye is the definition of a paper champion
Wlad is the rightful WBA Heavyweight Champ.
- Valuev-Haye was the worst/most boring fight of 2009.
- Fraudley-Haye was the worst/most boring fight of 2010.
- Haye was never "undisputed" CW champ. He partially unified by beating two weak title holders....glass chinned bum Maccarinelli, who has been KTFO by Lebedev, Frenkel, Afolabi and Swaby....and old shot midget Mormeck, who was coming off a KO loss to O'Neil Bell. Haye never made a title defence and he ducked all of the best cruiserweights (Adamek, Cunningham, etc)Wladimir Klitschko's impressive resume:
- ATG and HOF
- Most dominant fighter in the world
- Has cleaned out the HW division
- IBF/WBO/IBO/RING Unified Heavyweight Champion Of The World
- Rightful WBA Heavyweight Champ
- Olympic Gold Medalist
- 49 KOs in 55 wins
- Has made 16 dominant world title defences
- Has defeated 8 world heavyweight champions:
Chris Byrd I (31-1)
Chris Byrd II (39-2)
Samuel Peter I (24-0)
Samuel Peter II (34-3)
Ruslan Chagaev (25-0)
Sultan Ibragimov (22-0)
Lamon Brewster (33-3)
Hasim Rahman (45-5)
Francois Botha (44-3)
Ray Mercer (30-4)
- Has defeated tons of top contenders:
Eddie Chambers (35-1)
Calvin Brock (29-0)
Tony Thompson (31-1)
Jameel McCline (28-2)
Monte Barrett (23-0)
Ray Austin (24-3)
DaVarryl Williamson (20-2)
Axel Schulz (26-3)
Derrick Jefferson (23-2)
Charles Shufford (17-1)
Eliseo Castillo (18-0)
etc.....
- Has defeated 8 undefeated fighters:
Ruslan Chagaev (25-0)
Sultan Ibragimov (22-0)
Samuel Peter (24-0)
Calvin Brock (29-0)
Monte Barrett (23-0)
Eliseo Castillo (18-0)
Zoran Vujecic (14-0)
Najee Shaheed (16-0)bumped for the ******ed Gaye nuthuggersByrd is better than anyone Haye has fought.
Peter is better than anyone Haye has fought.
Ibragimov is better than anyone Haye has fought.
Chagaev is better than anyone Haye has fought.
Chambers is better than anyone Haye has fought.
Brewster is better than anyone Haye has fought.
Mercer is better than anyone Haye has fought.
Rahman is better than anyone Haye has fought.
Thompson is better than anyone Haye has fought.
Brock is better than anyone Haye has fought.
McCline is better than anyone Haye has fought.Comment
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of course,they are brave in a sense to put thier lives on the line when they step into the ring.Ok can we stop with hte name calling and I may not be a Haye fan at the moment ,but I cannot cal;l any fighter a coward especially a heavy weight(when you get into a ring and have a 220pound man trying to knock yor head takes a bit of courage)/ But I do believe Haye is not confident that he can in fact beat a Klitschko brother. and the fact is was Haye who canceled the fights all 3 times ,for what ever reasond he gives. I am loggin off now its late here I have to drive a friend home.To you guys the are Haye fans no hard feelings ok. AND to the Wlad and Vitali fans, lets hope that HAYE changes his mind for july 2nd signs on then we can see what is reallybgoing to play out. and to all we should be boxing fans first.We can argue but all the insults just seems a bit over the top to me.
but in the sense of putting their career at stake to a rival that equals them,i do not belive wlad is all that keen at this moment in time.
i do believe he sees more things in haye to defeat him,than things in himself to defeat haye.
i do think vitali and haye have no problems fighting,but haye wants wlad the younger fresher,but weaker one with the ranking and more titles first.
how ever,the klitschko want vitali to fight haye first,i believe that will happen,but i do think very much so that hayes speed and power,will pick vitali apart,haye will have to much youth energy and aggresion for vitali.
fair enough to you,have a safe journey/s.
i dont believe it is possible unless wlad drops chisora fight and haye has no mandatory.people can think otherwise,but i disagree.
i do think vitali v haye can happen in july if haye has no mandatory(and of course vitali wins without issues)
but if not,haye fights his mandatory,my hope is povetkin,or even adamek to fight haye first,then a klitschko afterwards in september!.we can all dream right?.
then haye can fight vitali in september/october time.
and carry on till start of next year and fight wladimir.
people can support who they like,but dont blindly hate and dont blindly follow someone without criticism for thier wrong doing.
everyone in one way or another is to blame,both camps and tv networks!.
but the blame always seems to be unfairly shouldered to only Haye!.
All i want is everyone to do thier most to fight the best and for the fights to be exciting and full of skills and wills pitted agiasnt each other!.Comment
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The only irrational person is you.
If there were no such thing as mandatory opponents David Haye would choose to fight Jean Mark Mormeck and Bermane Stiverne and then retire.
His whole career has been marked by him choosing the path of least resistance.
He wouldn't go out of his way to make a fight with Tomasz Adamek, as Wlad has done, come hell or high water, and he will probably find a way to duck out of a Povetkin fight was well.Comment
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You do know you have counted Byrd and Peter twice so it is only 6 and I wouldn't really count Botha either so that's 5. Most of those top "contenders" are chumps and did nothing to get a title shot and did nothing afterwards either. You can use stats all you want but it doesn't make the quality of their opposition any better.Comment
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Ok first no one can call Vitali a wimp ,thats crazy.And Wlad did fact try to get a rematch with Sanders, Sanders chose to fight Vitali for a bigger pay day.And Sanders was not some nobody.He was a waste of huge potential.He had the tools but he prefered golf.His record was 40 wins with 30 kos and 2 loses when he fought Wlad ,not to shabby for a part time fighter.Sanders was also known to have very heavy fast hands especially his left.After Rahman lost to Lewis in a interview they ask him was that the hardest his has ever been hit, RAHMAN REPLY THAT sANDERS HIT HARDER THAN LEWIS!He also said ever punch Sanders threw hurt because Sanders threw every punch trying for a knock out.Most boxing experts considered Sanders left hand one of the hardest punches in boxing, he even wbbled and rocked Vitali and he definately has good whislers. but SANDERS HEAD WAS NEVER IN THE GAME AND OFTEN CAME IN OUT OF SHAPE. Wlad took him lightly thinking Sanders was just there to pick up a pay check ,but Sanders had come to win.Sander will always be one of the coulda shoulda fighters.your being the idiot,of course it doesnt change the fact of what happened,but its make it less bad,infact,impressive he turned it around and dared to fight and beat someone who knocked him out,he avenged his losses ,that earns him respect and brings his credibility back.
that takes guts,heart and determination.
wlad and vitali are wimps compared to lewis!.Last edited by jknightx; 02-08-2011, 08:43 AM.Comment
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