Comments Thread For: Wladimir Klitschko on David Haye's legacy: 'What legacy?'

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Thompson beats Haye
Boytsov KO's Haye
Chagaev beats Haye
Povetkin beats Haye
Chambers beats Haye
Sam Peter beats Haye

lol all these beat haye,but if klitschko beat haye,then somehow haye only gets beat by them and not by ayone else right?.

lol way to de value klitschkos future opponent,and de value any of thier wins over him if it happens!.

cant believe your still repeating the same rubbish,hilarious!.

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wlads career gaps between fights,fights per year

• Anything close to fighting 8-9 weeks after a fight was early in his career-1996-2000,fighting bums,getting experience,winning nearly all by early knockout,and being very young to be able to fight so many fights a month,and so many in a year.

• now he plans something like that at in his mid 30s,when he fight all 3 opponents,with about 2 months between 2 fights with haye and adamek.

april 30-chisora
july 2nd-haye
september-adamek

• at age 35,he is going to actually fight these 2 even 3 fights in one year,so close to each other???.



he fought twice in 2001:

2001-03-24 Derrick Jefferson W TKO 2

2001-08-04 Charles Shufford W TKO 6


then in 2002:
2002-12-07 Jameel McCline W RTD 10


2002-06-29 Ray Mercer W TKO 6


2002-03-16 Francois Botha W TKO 8

2002,fought march 13th,then fought june 29th after the march tko 8th round win.
fought about 14 weeks after his march 29th fight.and that was at age 25/26.

2003:
2003-03-08 Corrie Sanders L TKO 2

2003-08-30 Fabio Eduardo Moli W KO 1

2003-12-20 Danell Nicholson W TKO 4

3 times 2003,all ko/tkos in early rounds. nothing close to 8-9 weeks between these fights.

2004:
fought only twice,april and then in october

2004-04-10 Lamon Brewster L TKO 5

2004-10-02 DaVarryl Williamson W TD 5

2005:

twice in 2005,april then september:

2005-04-23 Eliseo Castillo W TKO 4

2005-09-24 Samuel Peter W UD 12

2006:
fought twice in 2006,april and novemberpretty big gap between these fights huh?,Guess he didnt mind being inactive)

2006-04-22 Chris Byrd W TKO 7

2006-11-11 Calvin Brock W TKO 7

2007:
again,only fought twice,march and then later in the year in july

2007-03-10 Ray Austin W TKO 2

2007-07-07 Lamon Brewster W RTD 6

2008:
fought thrice,shockingly!.
late febuary,early july,early december:

2008-02-23 Sultan Ibragimov W UD 12

2008-07-12 Tony Thompson W KO 11

2008-12-13 Hasim Rahman W TKO 7

2009:
once,dont know if this way Haye's "fault",cant remember,possibly so,dont know tbh.Im sure he could have fought late winter if he wanted,tv dates most likely being more than 1 a year avaiable for him


2009-06-20 Ruslan Chagaev W RTD 9


2010:
fought twice only.yet again.

2010-03-20 Eddie Chambers W KO 12

2010-09-11 Samuel Peter W KO 10

• is that 7 years of his pro career a 2 fight a year or less fighter?,with most of these being his most recent years a a pro.

• not counting him being active and fighting many times a year as a young novice pro,fighting bums and winning early KO's.
• He has fought more than 2 fights a year for about 4 years out of his whole career,most of them many years ago aswell,as a young champion.
• (2008 being last time he fought 3 times in a year,all spread out,with plenty of time to take off,and to train a full 12 week camp for all 3 fights in 2008)

• ( before 2008,2003 was his last 3 fight year,with fights not as close as ones he plans this year)


go check boxrec,its all the same here as it is there date wise.

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fact is haye agreed to everything,then wlad said he was going to fight chisora for a "tune up".

fact is no way in hell could a 36 year old wlad for who i 2 fight a year fighter,and fights within a fair gap between fights,no way does he actually plan and be able to fight 9 weeks or less for chisora and haye,and then even fight adamek as well!.

last time he fought fights so close together was 2000!,when he was 25 or 26!.

if he gets injured badly from light workout 2 days before a fight,he is not managing 2 fights so close,with all the time needed for promotion,time needed to rest from a fight and then time needed to train differently for a different fight with different sparring,and time tapering down before a fight aswell.

Yes it is fact that Wlad signed a tune up with Chisora 9 weeks befor he was supose to fight HAYE . bUT IS NOT FACT that Wlad couldn't be ready to fight Haye in 9 weeks after Chisora.That is you and Hayes opinion.The only way this could be fact IS haye agrees to fight Wlad on july 2nd,and Wlad iether pulls out due to injury or says he cannot make the july 2nd date.

[jknightx]

I don't get what all the whining about Wlad fighting Chisora is about -- if Haye signs for July 2 and Wlad, as they are insisting, can't do the fight, then Haye looks good and Wlad is the bad guy. What's the problem?

I think the real problem is that they figure Wlad WILL show up and beat Haye senseless.

This is the point I have been trying to make also.If fighting Chisora 9 weeks befor HE FIGHTS Haye is difficlut for Wlad , it should be an advantage to Haye if Wlad cannot be ready and Haye looks good beating Wlad,If Wlad gets injured and cannot make the july 2nd date then Hay gets A"I TOLD YOU SO MOMENT" and at worse for Haye if he fights Wlad on july 2nd and loses he still gets a really big pay check/

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Yes it is fact that Wlad signed a tune up with Chisora 9 weeks befor he was supose to fight HAYE . bUT IS NOT FACT that Wlad couldn't be ready to fight Haye in 9 weeks after Chisora.That is you and Hayes opinion.The only way this could be fact IS haye agrees to fight Wlad on july 2nd,and Wlad iether pulls out due to injury or says he cannot make the july 2nd date.

history of his career states this extremely unlikely.

his age makes this unlikely and him being in good condition unlikely.

sense from tv networks buying that fight when chisora and adamek is signed does not seem to make it be signed in the first place!.

he could very well lose!

he could very likely get injured again pre fight,he is older!.

he could get bit,chisora has done it before!

you just say that we should all blindly believe wladimir,that we should ignore his recent career pattern and believe he believe he will fight and be able to do this 3 fights time scale?.

after he gets injured doing light workout we should trust he will be fine in training camps! ?.

you people need to stop b/s and get real.

what if wlad doesnt rest and overtrains?.

what if he rest,but doesnt train hard enough and specific enough for haye?.

what if he goes in injured?.


i dont want him to have any excuses for a loss!.

the fight doesnt get hyped up as much,less people see it,less money is made,less popularity for boxing!.

[jknightx]

history of his career states this extremely unlikely.

his age makes this unlikely and him being in good condition unlikely.

sense from tv networks buying that fight when chisora and adamek is signed does not seem to make it be signed in the first place!.

he could very well lose!

he could very likely get injured again pre fight,he is older!.

he could get bit,chisora has done it before!

you just say that we should all blindly believe wladimir,that we should ignore his recent career pattern and believe he believe he will fight and be able to do this 3 fights time scale?.

after he gets injured doing light workout we should trust he will be fine in training camps! ?.

you people need to stop b/s and get real.

what if wlad doesnt rest and overtrains?.

what if he rest,but doesnt train hard enough and specific enough for haye?.

what if he goes in injured?.


i dont want him to have any excuses for a loss!.

the fight doesnt get hyped up as much,less people see it,less money is made,less popularity for boxing!.

I am not saying we should just blindly believe everything Wlad says,nor should just blindly believe what Haye says. What I am saying is the only way anyone can know for sure if Wlad could not be ready in 9 weeks after the Chisora fight is if Haye had not canceled on july 2nd and Wlad itether pulls out or ebnds up too injured ,or gets wiped out by HAYE.but unless the fight happend we cannot state any thing as fact unless it has actually happened.Noe we can state our opinions in eiter Direction , for ither fighter,but in the end it is not fact unless HAYE SIGNS FOR THE FIGHT AND THE EVENTS TAKE PLACE,

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I am not saying we should just blindly believe everything Wlad says,nor should just blindly believe what Haye says. What I am saying is the only way anyone can know for sure if Wlad could not be ready in 9 weeks after the Chisora fight is if Haye had not canceled on july 2nd and Wlad itether pulls out or ebnds up too injured ,or gets wiped out by HAYE.but unless the fight happend we cannot state any thing as fact unless it has actually happened.Noe we can state our opinions in eiter Direction , for ither fighter,but in the end it is not fact unless HAYE SIGNS FOR THE FIGHT AND THE EVENTS TAKE PLACE,

surely wlad could have paid chisora for a fight,but have it privately in his gym,and have it at a sooner date than scheduled,so that way he gets a tune up fight,and gets haye fight sgined with full time to prepare and promote!.

and im sure hayes point was that if wlad signed to fight someone else,that haye had to fight his mandatory.

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This is the point I have been trying to make also.If fighting Chisora 9 weeks befor HE FIGHTS Haye is difficlut for Wlad , it should be an advantage to Haye if Wlad cannot be ready and Haye looks good beating Wlad,If Wlad gets injured and cannot make the july 2nd date then Hay gets A"I TOLD YOU SO MOMENT" and at worse for Haye if he fights Wlad on july 2nd and loses he still gets a really big pay check/

But then Wlad gets to say "Oh, i wasn't at my peak I was drained boo hoo."

If he loses. Haye doesn't want that either. He has to postpone his retirement plans at the very least.

Such a crybaby.

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But then Wlad gets to say "Oh, i wasn't at my peak I was drained boo hoo."

If he loses. Haye doesn't want that either. He has to postpone his retirement plans at the very least.

Such a crybaby.

indeed,haye does need to drop this retirment card b/s mind game.

i do keep high hopes for haye v vitali in july if vitali wins and haye doesnt have to waste time with a mandatory.

or if haye does need to fight mandatory,then fight vitali in october latest.

then if adamek loses to wlad, haye v wlad in late january/february 2012?.

[Steelhammer2011]

Thompson beats Haye
Boytsov KO's Haye
Chagaev beats Haye
Povetkin beats Haye
Chambers beats Haye
Sam Peter beats Haye

Agreed.

Haye is a cherry picking coward who hasn't beaten anyone with a pulse at HW. He blatantly ducked the Klitschkos and every other top HW.