Comments Thread For: Klitschko: Either Haye Fights Me on July 2, Or It's Dead!

[Chaos]

Good point, he was too.

But that was earlier in the year I think ?

During Nov/Dec there was communication between the two teams.

In Nov, why didn't Wlad suggest April for a Haye fight, and forget Chisora ?

Don't get me wrong here, I think that Haye is the major reason why this fight has been so difficult to make, but right now the clock is winding down on Haye's career due to his self-imposed retirement, and Wlad is well-aware of that fact.

I just think that playing hardball with Haye, is the wrong approach if Wlad is genuinely attempting to entice Haye into the ring.

But yep, I agree, they may need to drag him there kicking and screaming

He's not playing hardball, he's giving him what he wanted, 50-50 down the line, no rematch clauses etc etc. A date was found that was good for both sides. Then Haye decides to pull out. How's he playing hardball when Haye had already agreed to July 2nd date?

[LeadUppercut]

This has been explained many times but you seem to just ignore facts. First of all, Adamek is not signed to fight Wlad, he's signed to fight whichever brother is available. If Wlad fights Haye, then Adamek fight Vit. Get it now?
Also, who says there isn't time for Haye to have a full training camp, the fight is in July and it's February right now. You're saying 5 months isn't enough?

No, I am saying that 9 weeks - you know, the total time between the Chisora fight and the potential July date - is clearly not enough time to promote that fight, as well as adequately prepare.

And, it is absurd for you to expect David Haye to agree to a 9 week timeline, simply because it suits you.

Nobody relevant would agree to that, I am sure. The point is this, the fact that you and I are arguing about the timeframe, proves that it is a sticking point. There is only one guy who could have changed his schedule to accomodate Haye..... and his name is Wlad.

If Wlad had ditched Chisora, he could fight Haye in March/April.

Who the *** wants to see Chisora anyways ?

Good point about Adamek, he is not really an issue I suppose, but it will be easy for Haye to mention him in hindsight if the fight falls through.

I would have thought that Wlad would be intent on removing obstacles, not erecting them. The Chisora fight is completely unnecessary in hindsight.

[Rick Grimes]

In case you're unaware, Haye was MIA for a good portion of last year, not responding to any of K2's challenges. He only reappeared after both brothers had signed on to other fights and used that as an excuse to fight Audley.

Haye was spending time with his wife and newborn kid.

Why the hell shouldn't it be July 2nd? BOTH SIDES HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO THE DATE The negotiations are completed. The stadium is reserved. Everything is done. Then, unsurprisingly, Haye decides to pull out. Now they should change everything so that Haye can come up with a new excuse next time?

Everything was agreed you're right, but Haye didn't just pull out. Wlad signed to fight Chisora and the WBA ordered Haye to fight his mandatory, because he didn't have a guaranteed unification fight. Wlad was putting obstacles in the way of the fight.

[Chaos]

No, I am saying that 9 weeks - you know, the total time between the Chisora fight and the potential July date - is clearly not enough time to promote that fight, as well as adequately prepare.

And, it is absurd for you to expect David Haye to agree to a 9 week timeline, simply because it suits you.

Nobody relevant would agree to that, I am sure. The point is this, the fact that you and I are arguing about the timeframe, proves that it is a sticking point. There is only one guy who could have changed his schedule to accomodate Haye..... and his name is Wlad.

If Wlad had ditched Chisora, he could fight Haye in March/April.

Who the *** wants to see Chisora anyways ?

Good point about Adamek, he is not really an issue I suppose, but it will be easy for Haye to mention him in hindsight if the fight falls through.

I would have thought that Wlad would be intent on removing obstacles, not erecting them. The Chisora fight is completely unnecessary in hindsight.

Ok, here we go again. Wlad wanted to fight Haye in April but Haye couldn't secure a Sky deal. The next available date that both sides agreed on was July 2nd. This is the last time I'm going to explain this point to you so hopefully it will sink in this time.

With regards to Chisora, since the Haye fight couldn't happen in April, and since he had previously agreed to fight Chisora in Dec but then had to pull out due to injury, he scheduled the Chisora fight for the date that Haye couldn't secure. If he didn't schedule the Chisora fight for April, and if Haye then pulled out of the July 2nd date, that would mean that he would be inactive for almost a year, probably more because it would take time to get a new fight, and he didn't want to take that risk.

Also, the timeline isn't 9 weeks, Haye can train from the moment he signs for the fight, which would give him 5 months if he were to sign now. And have no doubt, the moment he signs, the promotion will begin, Chisora fight or not. It's not as if people are forbidden from talking about Wlad-Haye because Wlad has another fight in between.

[Chaos]

Haye was spending time with his wife and newborn kid.


Everything was agreed you're right, but Haye didn't just pull out. Wlad signed to fight Chisora and the WBA ordered Haye to fight his mandatory, because he didn't have a guaranteed unification fight. Wlad was putting obstacles in the way of the fight.

The WBA is not an obstacle to this fight happening. That is a myth. If the belt wasn't on the line Wlad wouldn't even be interested in the fight.

If Haye had even half a brain, he would take advantage of the situation and get his so-called mandatory out of the way so that come July he wouldn't have Sauerland taking a cut of his Wlad fight.

[Rick Grimes]

The WBA is not an obstacle to this fight happening. That is a myth. If the belt wasn't on the line Wlad wouldn't even be interested in the fight.

That is a myth because you say so? GTFO, Wlad knew the WBA was going to order Haye to fight his mandatory if he signed a Chisora fight and still went ahead. It was him that caused a problem not Haye.

[Rick Grimes]

The WBA is not an obstacle to this fight happening. That is a myth. If the belt wasn't on the line Wlad wouldn't even be interested in the fight.

If Haye had even half a brain, he would take advantage of the situation and get his so-called mandatory out of the way so that come July he wouldn't have Sauerland taking a cut of his Wlad fight.

Now the haters think Haye should make financial decisions but criticised him when he did that in the past.

[nomadman]

Haye was spending time with his wife and newborn kid.

And that prevents him from even responding to a call out vid how? He had time to comment on Toney's abortive MMA debut during that same time frame, yet nothing to Wlad because he's "spending time with his wife and newbord kid." OK right.

[Rick Grimes]

And that prevents him from even responding to a call out vid how? He had time to comment on Toney's abortive MMA debut during that same time frame, yet nothing to Wlad because he's "spending time with his wife and newbord kid." OK right.

There's a difference between commenting on something and negotiating a fight. Most people don't want to think about work when they are spending time with their family.

[Chaos]

That is a myth because you say so? GTFO, Wlad knew the WBA was going to order Haye to fight his mandatory if he signed a Chisora fight and still went ahead. It was him that caused a problem not Haye.

No it's a myth because it's not true. Show me where the WBA has stated that he would be stripped of the title if he signs to fight Wlad, with Chisora in between.