Comments Thread For: Manny Pacquiao To Vacate WBC Title, Koncz Talks Fees

[killakali]

SON this is how the game works, if he was past his prime then he was, at least floyd fought the champion at a weight class without a catch weight.... THAT AUTOMATICALLY MAKES IT BETTER, YOU NOR ANYONE CAN DENY THAT!!!

Look at delahoya, he won his fame beating Julio cesar Chavez.... But chavez was outta his prime too. Th epoint is you gotta nkow when to get out, or you will take some losses. Ali comes to mind.

REGARDING JUDAH AND BALDOMIR, BALDOMIR WAS DOING VERY GOOD, HAD JUST BEAT JUDAH, AND WAS THE LINEAL CHAMPION REMEMBER??? WASNT COMING OFF NO LOSS THATS FOR DAMN SURE.

JUDAH HAD BALDOMIR AS A TUNE UP FIGHT, AND LOST, BUT ONCE AGAIN, NO ONE COMPLAINED THAT JUDAH WASNT LIVE GAME. BECAUSE HE WAS....

IF YOU WIKI JUDAH/MAYWEATHER YOU WILL SEE THEY HAD AN AGREEMENT TO FIGHT PRIOR TO JUDAH LOSING, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS BEFORE HE LOST. Floyd was fighting a champion, and JUDAH WAS A REAL TITLE HOLDER AT WELTER WEIGHT. I dont know if you were watching boxing them, but dont let these cats fool you....

Floyd then recieved tons of flack as to why he was not fighting baldomir, and why he was fighting judah, he then proceeded to SHAME BALDOMIR, WHOM WEIGHED IN OVER 160...i HAVENT BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO POST VIDS SO YOU WILL HAVE TO CHECK FOR YOURSELF.


Regarding Cooto with foreman, Gomez, etc. No one will ever accuse cotto of cherry picking as he always fought tough matches, win lose or draw. He was fighting people coming off of wins too! As I just showed you with manny this is not the case.
154 isnt very strong either, but a fighter like cotto needs this at this time, because many feel as well as myself that he was cheated by margarito, his confidence needs to come back.

So dont get upset and start screaming ***** etc as I am simply stating facts.

If you feel I have stated something falsely please address that....

Baldomir had how many losses when he fought Floyd? Over 5? Over 6? Judah was such live game he had already lost to Baldomir and Spinks. How did Judah do just prior to fighting Floyd (Spoinks, Balodmir) and. Just after Floyd (Cotto,Clottey). Live my ass lol. How did Mosley look vs Mayorga and Cotto bedore Floyd?

Did Manny cherry pick his 7 fights vs Barrera, Marquez, Morales? Lol. Is Cotto still good? Was he cherry picked coming off two wins in a row?

[QADASHBANYAH]

Oooh, so you're so bright and you know well a lot about boxing then?

You obviously know what Bob is doing is still the same rotten thing he's doing then?

And yet the whole boxing world admired Tyson for his contribution in boxing...That's what Bob Arum and King did. They promoted someone so exciting that it helped generate excitement to the boxing world.

If you're so intelligent, then who do you think is comparable to Pacquiao that Arum can choose among the current crop of boxers? Who among the boxers has the charisma and following like Pacquiao have?

Cotto was once "babied" by Arum, we know that, but it's just that he doesn't have the charisma that Pacquiao has... he doesn't bring that much excitement as Pacquiao HAS in his fights...

Arum wants Tim Bradley because a fight with Pacquiao can make the fight more exciting....if he wants to feed Tim to Pacquiao then so be it...Styles make fights.

IF YOU WERE THE PROMOTER of Cotto and Pacquiao, WOULD YOU RATHER CHOOSE COTTO OVER PACQUIAO AND MAKE HIM THE MAIN MAN, Who of the two is more exciting to watch, and has more following? Would you still choose Cotto?? OF COURSE NOT! BECAUSE COTTO DOES NOT HAVE THE PLUS FACTOR OF PACQUIAO!

THAT IS JUST PART OF THE PROMOTION...THE PROMOTER BUILDS UP THE FIGHT BUT HE CHOOSES SOMEONE WHO HAS THE COMPLETE PACKAGE!

IF YOU WERE THE PROMOTER, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO LOSE COMPLETELY YOUR BUSINESS BY NOT CAREFULLY CHOOSING WHO AMONG YOUR BOXERS ARE CAPABLE OF MAKING EXCITING FIGHTS?

PACQUIAO ANSWERED THIS BY SIMPLY DOING WHAT HE DOES BEST.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER BOXERS??? WHO AMONG THEM IS THE COMPLETE PACKAGE AND MAKES BOXING exciting??

You said SMART FIGHTERS LEAVE ARUM???? Mayweather and Oscar?? WHERE ARE THEY NOW??? GBP is going down and Mayweather too because he just wants to do what he wants...He's facing prosecution. I don't think they are smart enough!

You know you can whine all you want, but you still need to answer my question....Who....????


Because if you do not have the answer then, just tell me, and I'll respect how you have been whining about boxing even before Pacquiao came.

OKAY WHAT HAPPENED TO TYSON WHEN THE DECK OF CARDS FINALLY FELL???
HE WAS WHOOPED BY HOLYFIELD TWICE.
LENNOX LEWIS, DANNY WILLIAMS, AND LEFT BUSTED AND DISGUSTED..

YOU SEE TEH WOLVES BUILD YOU UP AND THEN ONCE THEY AHVE SQUEEZED EVERY DIME OUT OF YOU, YOU ARE LEFT WONDERING WHAT HAPPENED.

Regarding your other comment... Are you serious about manny? You can make any boxer act nice dude!!

MANNY CANT EVEN SPEAK DECENT ENGLISH WITHOUT SAYING AHHH, OR UM EVERY DAMN SYLLABLE.

LOOK AT SERGIO...CLEAN CUT WHITE BOY WITH STRAIGHT TEETH COULD HAVE BEEN A HOME RUN IF HE HAD A PROMOTER TO PROMOTE HIM....

IF YOU CAN TAKE A LITERAL STARVING PHILLIPINO FIGHTER AND MAKE HIM BIG WITH BROKEN ENGLISH AND CHERRY PICKED FIGHTERS, YOU DONT THINK YOU COULD CREATE ANOTHER ONE?

But remember as I told you COTTO WAS NEVER PCIKED FOR THIS MISSION...HE WAS THE TOUGH FIGHTER GIVEN HARD FIGHTS TO SOFTEN HIM UP FOR THE MAIN GUY..

YOU SEE IF YOU WOULD THINK YOU WOULD REALIZE THE POINT I AM MAKING, THEY COULD HAVE PADDED COTTO, GAVE HIM SOME CATCH WEIGHTS, I MEAN HELL HE WAS BEATING PEOPLE ON HIS BOXING SKILLS. BUT THAT WASNT THE PLAN

NOW YOU ASKED WHERE ARE TEH BOXERS THAT LEFT ARUM??? WELL MAYWEATHER AND OSCAR OF COURSE, AND OSCAR IS DOING MUCH BETTER FOR HIMSELF, AND YOU CANNOT DENY THAT SO IS MAYWEATHER.

FLOYD WANTED MORE THAN THE 8 MILLION ARUM HAD ON THE TABLE, FLOYD LEFT AND GOT MORE THAN 8 MILLION...SIMPLE......

AND I ALREADY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION DUDE ARE YOU DEAF? ITS WHOMEVER TEH PROMOTER WANTS, IF YOU HAVE A LARGE STABLE OF FIGHTERS YOU CAN CORNER TEH MARKET AS EVEN YOU AGREED TO THIS IN YOUR POST. YOU CAN TELL HIM (YOUR FIGHTER) HOW TO ACT, WHAT TO SAY, HELL RICKY HATTON COULD HAVE BEEN THAT FIGHTER AS WELL, AS PEOPEL LOVED RICKY, ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS FOLLOW ARUMS PLAN, THROW SOME CATCH WEIGHTS, DRAIN FIGHTERS, SHOW HATTON CONSISTENTLY JOKING ETC. ITS CALLED THE GREAT WHITE HOPE.... IF THEY WOULD HAVE KEPT HIM FROM FLOYD HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ALRIGHT.....THINK ABOUT IT, RICKY HATTON, KEEP HIM FROM SLICK BOXERS JUST LIKE MANNY, LET HIM FIGHT PEOPLE AT CATCH WEIGHTS. PUT HIM ON 60 MINUTES, SHOW HIM FEEDING THE POOR, COME ONE MAN YOU KNOW THE DRILL MANNY CANT EVEN FACKIN TALK!!!!

WHY ELSE DO YOU THINK PEOPLE PRIOR TO THE FIGHT THOUGHT HATTON HAD A REAL CHANCE???
HE WAS FOLLOWING ARUMS FORMULA, SHOT KSTA TSZYU?? COME ON SON....

[killakali]

That was my bad, but the point still stands, I forgot about the human punching bag known as clottey lol. Who has not won a fight since 2008 lol!!!!

But regardless, roach and co wanted cotto and knew cotto was shopworn son.

Cotto beat clottey which isnt saying much, but it was a 12 round decision in which some people felt clottey was robbed.
Remember all of this was after the plaster of paris, and cotto hasnt been the same since that fight with margarito...1 JUDGED EVEN SCORED THE FIGHT IN CLOTTEYS FAVOR LOL.

Now you must admit youwere wrong because Shane was not coming off a loss when he fought floyd he was coming off the massacre of MARGARITO. LOL

Once again google it, FLOYD AND ZAB ALREADY HAD A CONTRACT TO FIGHT PRIOR TO HIS BALDOMIR FIGHT, THIS WAS ZABS TUNE UP... DONT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT JUST GOOGLE IT BRO...
ZAB LOST, BRIAN KENNY GAVE FLOYD HELL FOR FIGHT ZAB, AND NOT CARLOS BALDOMIR THE NEW CHAMP, SO MAYWEATHER FIGHTS CARLOS AND MAKES HIM LOOK LIKE A FOOL .. MAYEATHER FOUGHT THEM BOTH, I DONT KNOW WHY YOU SEEM SO OBSESSED WITH FLOYD...

REGARDING OSCAR:

May 5 -- Floyd Mayweather Jr., L 12 *RECAP*
(Lost WBC Light Middleweight Title)

SEE THAT HE LOST THE TITLE!!!! HE HAD A TITLE!!! HE WON IT OFF OF MAYORGA!!!

2006
May 6 -- Ricardo Mayorga, Las Vegas, NV, TKO 6 *RECAP*
(Won WBC Light Middleweight Title)

SEE THAT??
2005
Inactive

2004
Sept. 18 -- Bernard Hopkins, Las Vegas, NV, KO by 9 *RECAP*
(For Unified Middleweight Title)
June 5 -- Felix Sturm, Las Vegas, Nevada, W 12 *RECAP*
(Won WBO Middleweight Title)

THERES HIS RECORD AND WHAT HAPPENED OSCAR BEAT MAYORGA FOR THE BELT SON, BUT JUST PAY ATTENTION..

FLOYD FOUGHT A CHAMPION IN OSCAR, SURE OSCAR HAD LOST TO B HOP, BUT YOU SPEAK AS IF THAT WASNT EXPECTED. YOU ACT AS IF BHOP IS A BUM OR SOMETHING? YOU SEE THE DUDES RECORD? YOU SEE HIS AGE? AND HES STILL WINNING TO THIS VERY DAY!

NO MY FRIEND OSCAR WAS NOT WASHED UP WHEN FLOYD BEAT HIM!!! HE HAD ONLY LOST TO B HOP!! AND PRIOR TO THAT MOSELY x2, AND TRNINDAD. NONE OF THESE GUYS ARE BUMS THEY ARE ALL HALL OF FAMERS!!!


Regarding hatton, well here ya go. staright from the horses mouth and i QUOTE


His actions followed as well, as he abandoned his title and immediately moved back down to 140 lbs.Plus he was ring side when floyd whooped gatti, he saw that ass beating, cotto was there too!!! Hattons father wanted the fight at 147...


Could it be that mayweather gave hatton his first loss, and you actually sit there and think floyd would not whoop hatton at 140? Have you gone mad? 140 means more speed...

Floyd has never been a guy to lean on you and rough you up, he puts them B'S on yo a$$.

He out thinks, out hustles....Of course you can say hatton isnt nothing, this is all hind sight now son, when floyd fought at 154, we didnt here no excuses, floyd walked away with the belt and the "W" hell if I am not mistaken hatton even made more money than floyd that night.....

YOU ARE DONE BRO....

So Floyd fought Oscar coming off a win (Mayorga) and Manny fought Oscar after a win (Forbes). I can play your game. Hatton had fought at 147 prior and struggled. Floyd would hjave fought at 140 if it was benefit and it wasn't. You keep saying how bag Clottey is and how live Judah was (I'm still (laughing) yet the horrible Clottwy beat Judah so what does that say.

As far as Floyd having a contract vs Judah. That's laughable. He did and it had an out clause if Judah lost vs Baldomir. Arum still did it anyway. That's when Floyd ducked Margarito. Remember $1 more to fight Baldomir. Do u really wan to go on? U are owned

[QADASHBANYAH]

baldomir had how many losses when he fought floyd? Over 5? Over 6? Judah was such live game he had already lost to baldomir and spinks. How did judah do just prior to fighting floyd (spoinks, balodmir) and. Just after floyd (cotto,clottey). Live my ass lol. How did mosley look vs mayorga and cotto bedore floyd?

Did manny cherry pick his 7 fights vs barrera, marquez, morales? Lol. Is cotto still good? Was he cherry picked coming off two wins in a row?

yep, you have lost it i end up answering the same **** with you....

Go back and watch some more footage my boy.....

Start on youtube if you dont have access to the fights....

[QADASHBANYAH]

So Floyd fought Oscar coming off a win (Mayorga) and Manny fought Oscar after a win (Forbes). I can play your game. Hatton had fought at 147 prior and struggled. Floyd would hjave fought at 140 if it was benefit and it wasn't. You keep saying how bag Clottey is and how live Judah was (I'm still (laughing) yet the horrible Clottwy beat Judah so what does that say.

As far as Floyd having a contract vs Judah. That's laughable. He did and it had an out clause if Judah lost vs Baldomir. Arum still did it anyway. That's when Floyd ducked Margarito. Remember $1 more to fight Baldomir. Do u really wan to go on? U are owned

LETS SEE THE DIFFERENCE IS OSCAR WAS NOT WEIGHT DRAINED, AND NOT AT A CATCH WEIGHT WHEN HE FOUGHT FLOYD, WHICH I know you already know, so if you wanna act ****** you will be doing that by your damn self. OSCAR HAD HAD A FIGHT IN 154 PRIOR AS WELL, AND THAT FIGHT WAS MAYORGA, IN WHICH HE WON A BELT, WHEN MANY FOUGHT HIM HAD OSCAR FOUGHT AT THAT SAME WEIGHT??

LOL YOU KNOW THE ANSWER SON..

LOOK ON HERE THE ARTICLED IS HERE HATTON WANTED TEH FIGHT AT 147, THAT KILLS YOUR ****** A$$ REMARKS... SO SHUT UP ABOUT THAT DUDE.

AND NO I SAID THE PUNCHING BAG, HES NOT ACTIVE ENOUGH.....EVERYONE KNOWS JUDAH HAS SKILLS, BUT WONDER WHICH VERSION WILL SHOW UP. ZAB WAS AN ACTUAL LEGIT TITLE HOLDER, SO YOU GOING AGAINST THAT SHOWS YOU DONT KNOW "**** ABOUT BOXIN"..


EVEN ARUM STATED OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH THAT FLOYD JUST WANTED MORE THAN THAT FOR COTTO / MARGARITO, SO FLOYD BOUGHT HIMSELF OUT AND HE GOT MORE, SMART BUSINESS DECISION, I KNOW ALL HOPE IS LOST WHEN YOU GUYS START TRYING TO ACT LIKE MARGS HAD A CHANCE, GO TO YOU TUBE AND YOU WILL SEE FLOYD TELL MARGARITO, KEEP WINNING AND IT WILL BE BETTER FOR ME AND YOU.. MARGS COULDNT KEEP WINNING....PLUS HE WAS A CHEATER. FLOYD IS NOT LOOKING AT ONE FIGHT THE MAN IS LOOKING AT HIS FUTURE, YOU GUYS DONT REALIZE THAT, FLOYD IS LOOKING AT THAT MONEY...

AND MARGARITO WHILE A MEXICAN WAS NOT A BIG DRAW, HELL HE JUST ISNT!! WHAT BLOCK BUSTER HAS HE HAD?? WITHOUT MANNY OF COURSE...
SO ARUM IS QUOTED AS SAYING MAYWEATHER HAD NO PROBLEM WITH MARGS IT WAS THE REST OF HIS CONTRACT!!! 8 MILLION FOR HATTON?? COME ON MAN!!! HELL SHANE IS GETTING MORE THAN THAT RIGHT NOW!!! AND HE JUST CAME OFF A LOSS AND A DRAW!!! LOL

AND YOU SKILLFULLY NEGLECT TO MENTION THAT FLOYD AFTER JUDAH BEAT BALDOMIR AND BALDOMIR DIDNT WIN A ROUND!!!! LOL SO YOU OWNED YOURSELF, BEING NEW TO BOXING AND TALKING ****.

HOW OLD ARE YOU SON?

[Larry the boss]

how did this thread end up bout manny and floyd

[PRBOXINGCOTTO]

ppl who dont earn belts have to pay

[simpson69]

What i don't get is floyd fans or pac haters were *****ing that if manny not gonna defend his 154 title he should vacate it. Now he does and they still ***** what gives? Also him claiming be goat on 60 mins he was j/k he even said in an arcticle he was j/k and don't think he's GOAT.

Again i say

[namme]

OKAY WHAT HAPPENED TO TYSON WHEN THE DECK OF CARDS FINALLY FELL???
HE WAS WHOOPED BY HOLYFIELD TWICE.
LENNOX LEWIS, DANNY WILLIAMS, AND LEFT BUSTED AND DISGUSTED..

YOU SEE TEH WOLVES BUILD YOU UP AND THEN ONCE THEY AHVE SQUEEZED EVERY DIME OUT OF YOU, YOU ARE LEFT WONDERING WHAT HAPPENED.

Regarding your other comment... Are you serious about manny? You can make any boxer act nice dude!!

MANNY CANT EVEN SPEAK DECENT ENGLISH WITHOUT SAYING AHHH, OR UM EVERY DAMN SYLLABLE.

LOOK AT SERGIO...CLEAN CUT WHITE BOY WITH STRAIGHT TEETH COULD HAVE BEEN A HOME RUN IF HE HAD A PROMOTER TO PROMOTE HIM....

IF YOU CAN TAKE A LITERAL STARVING PHILLIPINO FIGHTER AND MAKE HIM BIG WITH BROKEN ENGLISH AND CHERRY PICKED FIGHTERS, YOU DONT THINK YOU COULD CREATE ANOTHER ONE?

But remember as I told you COTTO WAS NEVER PCIKED FOR THIS MISSION...HE WAS THE TOUGH FIGHTER GIVEN HARD FIGHTS TO SOFTEN HIM UP FOR THE MAIN GUY..

YOU SEE IF YOU WOULD THINK YOU WOULD REALIZE THE POINT I AM MAKING, THEY COULD HAVE PADDED COTTO, GAVE HIM SOME CATCH WEIGHTS, I MEAN HELL HE WAS BEATING PEOPLE ON HIS BOXING SKILLS. BUT THAT WASNT THE PLAN

NOW YOU ASKED WHERE ARE TEH BOXERS THAT LEFT ARUM??? WELL MAYWEATHER AND OSCAR OF COURSE, AND OSCAR IS DOING MUCH BETTER FOR HIMSELF, AND YOU CANNOT DENY THAT SO IS MAYWEATHER.

FLOYD WANTED MORE THAN THE 8 MILLION ARUM HAD ON THE TABLE, FLOYD LEFT AND GOT MORE THAN 8 MILLION...SIMPLE......

AND I ALREADY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION DUDE ARE YOU DEAF? ITS WHOMEVER TEH PROMOTER WANTS, IF YOU HAVE A LARGE STABLE OF FIGHTERS YOU CAN CORNER TEH MARKET AS EVEN YOU AGREED TO THIS IN YOUR POST. YOU CAN TELL HIM (YOUR FIGHTER) HOW TO ACT, WHAT TO SAY, HELL RICKY HATTON COULD HAVE BEEN THAT FIGHTER AS WELL, AS PEOPEL LOVED RICKY, ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS FOLLOW ARUMS PLAN, THROW SOME CATCH WEIGHTS, DRAIN FIGHTERS, SHOW HATTON CONSISTENTLY JOKING ETC. ITS CALLED THE GREAT WHITE HOPE.... IF THEY WOULD HAVE KEPT HIM FROM FLOYD HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ALRIGHT.....THINK ABOUT IT, RICKY HATTON, KEEP HIM FROM SLICK BOXERS JUST LIKE MANNY, LET HIM FIGHT PEOPLE AT CATCH WEIGHTS. PUT HIM ON 60 MINUTES, SHOW HIM FEEDING THE POOR, COME ONE MAN YOU KNOW THE DRILL MANNY CANT EVEN FACKIN TALK!!!!

WHY ELSE DO YOU THINK PEOPLE PRIOR TO THE FIGHT THOUGHT HATTON HAD A REAL CHANCE???
HE WAS FOLLOWING ARUMS FORMULA, SHOT KSTA TSZYU?? COME ON SON....

You seem to be generally saying that fighters are pawns to their promoter, huh??

Tyson was KOed by Douglas which was not supposed to be BECAUSE HE WAS MENTALLY OFF BECAUSE OF HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH ROBIN GIVENS. Any preparation of the fight (and you should know this because you seem to be an expert in boxing as if you know everything there is to it) is not just all physical, the mental aspect also is important. Tyson was KOed because he was already troubled mentally at that time with all the accusations Givens told the media.

It was only after 6 years that Tyson fought Holyfield!!! Where was Tyson from during those 6years after he lost Douglas???? He was prison due to a **** conviction! Do you think you are mentally ready after all those years in prison?? Of course Holyfield whoop his a$$$ because he wasn't the same Tyson as before the Douglas fight! And you say it's all because the promoters are manipulating everything????

If Tyson was not troubled and was not convicted and in prison, I don't think Holyfield, Lewis, et al could have won against him! That is a fact and that is not obviously built by promoters!! Tyson can respond to the challenge if he was not mentally troubled!

And you are comparing Pacquiao to Tyson? that Pacquiao is being "manipulated" by Arum in maneuvering his fights, by playing it safe for him in his fights??? If Pacquiao is not the complete package that he is, Arum could not easily carve his career the way he wanted to.

In all the posts you are stating, you seem to belittle Pacquiao's achievements simply because Arum is behind all this. You seem to be saying that without Arum, Pacquiao's career would have gone down---just like Tyson. I agree that Arum has a hand on Pacquiao's career but only because Pacquiao responded to that challenge!

The wolves (as you say) can only build you up unless you have the complete package. You cannot just say that to any other fighter because eventually they'll all fail. You mentioned Cotto, Hatton or even any boxer could be build up--but because they don't have the complete package, they failed. I admit Pacquiao and Cotto were both build up, but it was Pacquiao who eventually responded remarkably!

A promoter can only do so much! But what you are saying is that boxers are pawns (with no mind of their own) to the promoters! That's where you fail, BOY!

[Georgeshills]

Damn, 20 pages and you guys are still going around in never ending circles! All of these arguments are caused by all these division in a division and all these associations and organizations that can have multiple champions. It dilutes what and who a true champion is. Why fault fighters like Pacquiao? Why fault promoters like Top Rank? its not like its only Pacquiao doing catchweights, or doing cherry picking. Its not like its only Top Rank who does all this taking advantage of the present situation because its all about money. All of this because the present system SUCKS. If Top Rank or GBP doesn't take advantage of it to their benefit, then that makes them ****** and negligent. If fighters will not go after a chance to be called a champion, no matter how fringe, lousy, or unkown the association/organization it is connected, with, then they are also ******. Most fighters will take at the chance to be called a champion. Then there are those that are the elite. These ones will choose, like when fighters like Lennox Lewis threw away the WBC belt. But these guys are very much in the minority.