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  • The only resemblance is that Mayweather and Leonard both retired and waited for there opponent to decline before taking the fight.

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    • Originally posted by The Gambler1981 View Post
      About 50% of the people that watched it felt diferently about who won~

      I don't really talk about ducking because most people throw the word around to loosely so it lacks meaning, but if there was ever 1 fight that really deserved a rematch in boxing history it is that one~


      Think whatever you want about it, some Leonard fans can live with that poor look from him, some wish he would have ran it back and ended a debate that still goes on to this day.
      It's only a poor look to those who wanted Hagler to win..... Ray didn't have to take the fight..... He did he won.... All time he's rated higher.... Hagler had a chance to stop that from happening but he didn't/couldn't..... And there's nothing you or Hagler can do about it now..... Except for cry for a rematch that never happened......

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      • Originally posted by MJ223 View Post
        It's only a poor look to those who wanted Hagler to win..... Ray didn't have to take the fight..... He did he won.... All time he's rated higher.... Hagler had a chance to stop that from happening but he didn't/couldn't..... And there's nothing you or Hagler can do about it now..... Except for cry for a rematch that never happened......
        He has wanted the rematch since the fight ended. Hagler wasn't the only one that wanted it, everyone wanted it except Ray Leonard.

        Hagler didn't have to give him a chance.

        They are rated about the same, even if Leonard is above it has nothing to do with that fight because it was razor thin and so disputed. Leonard could have silenced all that but was not confident enough to do it.

        You can be happy with that win if you want, many Ray Leonard fans are but some would have liked him to give Hagler a rematch as they felt it was owed considering the situation.

        For a boxing debate over a fight to go on for damn near 30 years, is not nearly as definitive as you are making it out to be.

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        • Originally posted by _original_ View Post
          Mayweather moving up to fight Hopkins at 160 would have been this generations Leonard-Hagler.
          Nope that would have been like Leonard moving up to face Spinks...

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          • Originally posted by MJ223 View Post
            Genuinely interested......
            OK captain bold...

            Hagler wants rematch. Leonard retired.

            Hagler retires. Leonard comes back.

            How is that for ducking?

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            • Originally posted by The Gambler1981 View Post
              He has wanted the rematch since the fight ended. Hagler wasn't the only one that wanted it, everyone wanted it except Ray Leonard.

              Hagler didn't have to give him a chance.

              They are rated about the same, even if Leonard is above it has nothing to do with that fight because it was razor thin and so disputed. Leonard could have silenced all that but was not confident enough to do it.

              You can be happy with that win if you want, many Ray Leonard fans are but some would have liked him to give Hagler a rematch as they felt it was owed considering the situation.

              For a boxing debate over a fight to go on for damn near 30 years, is not nearly as definitive as you are making it out to be.
              Originally posted by wmute View Post
              OK captain bold...

              Hagler wants rematch. Leonard retired.

              Hagler retires. Leonard comes back.

              How is that for ducking?
              That was soOo kind of Hagler..... I thought it was more about the $$$ who else could he have fought to generate that type of revenue???

              All I know is 04/06/87 Leonard>Hagler..... That's all that matters

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              • Originally posted by MJ223 View Post
                That was soOo kind of Hagler..... I thought it was more about the $$$ who else could he have fought to generate that type of revenue???

                All I know is 04/06/87 Leonard>Hagler..... That's all that matters
                The same applies to Leonard~

                Opinions about what happened that night swing wildly, but the funny thing is I thought Leonard won also but I realize that lots of people disagree with that and Leonard was none to interested in silencing those critics of his perfomance.

                If you think that is a good look that is on you not me, so think whatever you like.

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                • Originally posted by The Gambler1981 View Post
                  The same applies to Leonard~

                  Opinions about what happened that night swing wildly, but the funny thing is I thought Leonard won also but I realize that lots of people disagree with that and Leonard was none to interested in silencing those critics of his perfomance.

                  If you think that is a good look that is on you not me, so think whatever you like.
                  If u haven't noticed those critics are the minority.....

                  But we can agree to disagree.....

                  Leonard still won.....

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                  • Originally posted by bojangles1987 View Post
                    I wouldn't call it a duck because of the weight classes, but there was an article on ESPN either this year or last where they had quotes from Leonard, Hagler, their trainers, journalists, all kinds of people about the fight, and Leonard talked about how there were lots of people expecting him to announce a fight with Hagler at the press conference for his first retirement. He claimed he was high and when he got out there he wasn't sure what he was going to say. He had another quote where he watched the Hagler-Mugabi fight I believe, and told his people to try and make the fight with Hagler afterwards.

                    Found it, pretty interesting read for those who haven't seen it.
                    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...ler-vs-leonard
                    srl safely followed hagler on the sidelines, behind the mike since announcing the retirement, when kevin howard, put him on his seat, and he had to dig deep to win....the detached retina wasn't an issue, when he retired after the kevin howard scare...he was behind the mike for the hagler-mugabi fight, and all he talked about was how hagler lost a step, and how mugabi wasn't making him pay when he missed...talked about how he would make hagler pay, etc...etc...you knew srl was going to announce a comeback after seeing that...

                    srl sat on the sidelines for years between the howard fight, and hagler, when many (including myself) felt he could have made a fight with hagler, while hagler was closer to his prime...many thought, that srl would never announce a comeback, after watching the hagler that destroyed a better boxer than himself in hearns, safely from the sidelines, and that proved to be correct, but he would definitely find the hagler, who looked slower and hittable against mugabi, would be a better chance to take...

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                    • Originally posted by MJ223 View Post
                      If u haven't noticed those critics are the minority.....

                      But we can agree to disagree.....

                      Leonard still won.....
                      That isn't reality about 50% disagree with who won~ which is why you can still get a heated debate about that fight to this day.

                      Opinions vary~ and Leonard had it in him to silence all doubt he was straight on that.

                      So whatever~ I already said I thought Leonard won he just should have made it clear beyond all doubt he was the better man, then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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