What fighter out of these have the worst resume?
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no, Ali nor Louis didnt face EVERY top guy out there. luckily, I know which ones were top and which ones were not. Here you go:Ok if you want to say that is a good win, Louis and Ali both didn't face all top rated guys either. Are you familiar with the bum of the month club?
Wlad and Vitali are continually cleaning out the division. They fight every ranked fighter that will fight them. There's nothing else they can do. So there you have it.
Muhammad Ali
Alejandro Lavorante - No. 10
Archie Moore - No. 5
Doug Jones - No. 3
Henry Cooper - No. 9
Sonny Liston - World Heavyweight Champion
Sonny Liston - No. 1
Floyd Patterson - No. 1
George Chuvalo - No. 9
Henry Cooper - No. 4
Karl Mildenberger - No. 3
Cleveland Williams - No. 3
Ernie Terell - No. 1
Zora Folley - No. 2
Jerry Quarry - No. 1
Oscar Bonavena - No. 3
Jimmy Ellis - No. 7
Mac Foster - No. 6
Jerry Quarry - No.2
Floyd Patterson - No.3
Bob Foster - World Light-Heavyweight Champion
Joe Bugner - No. 8
Ken Norton - No. 2
Joe Frazier - No. 1
George Foreman - World Heavyweight Champion
Chuck Wepner - No. 9
Ron Lyle - No. 8
Joe Bugner - No. 4
Joe Frazier - No. 2
Jimmy Young - No. 3
Ken Norton - No. 2
Ernie Shavers - No. 5
Leon Spinks - World Heavyweight Champion
Top 10 Rated Opponents (including Light-Heavyweight Champion): 32(31 without LHWs)
Joe Louis
Lee Rampage - No. 10
Patsy Perroni - No. 6
Natie Brown - No. 10
Primo Carnera - No. 4
King Levinsky - No. 10
Max Baer - No. 1
Charley Retzlaff - No. 4
Jack Sharkey - No. 4
Al Ettore - No. 3
James Braddock - World Champion
Tommy Farr - No. 3
Nathan Mann - No. 3
Max Schmeling - No. 1
John Henry Lewis - World Champion at Light-Heavyweight
Tony Galento - No. 3
Bob Pastor - No. 2
Johnny Paychek - No. 5
Arturo Godoy (2) - No. 1
Red Burman - No. 4
Buddy Baer - No. 5
Billy Conn - World Champion at Light-Heavyweight
Lou Nova - No. 1
Buddy Baer - No. 4
Abe Simon - No. 6
Billy Conn - No. 1
Tami Mauriello - No. 1
Jersey Joe Walcott - No. 1
Jersey Joe Walcott - No. 1
Lee Savold - No. 4
Cesar Brion - No. 8
Top 10 Rated opponents: 30(28 without LHWs)
Wladimir Klitschko:
Peter, Thompson, Brewster, Byrdx2, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Chagaev, McCline, and Chambers
10
Vitali Klitschko:
Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders, Chris Arreola, Juan Carlos Gomez, Sam Peter.
5
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actually Tyson KOed Berbick, Thomas, Biggs, Tubbs, Spinks, Bruno, Williams, Ruddock, Seldon, and Golota(you can discount that last one if you want).
all good considered good, top fighters while he was fighting.
KO% doesnt matter, its who you beat and how. KOing is just another way to win, although like you I prefer the KO.
simply having a KO doesnt make the win greater. Dominance does, yes, which is why I give the brothers plenty of credit for their exellent, dominant performances, as long as theyre fighting good fighters.Comment
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Well done on research and all, but you still fail to realize my point. I'm not comparing them to Wladimir. I'm simply saying Wlad does not have the weakest resume' on that list. I can't dispute your lists as I don't know what those fighters were ranked at the times they fought Ali and Louis but I can tell you the only reason I even know most of those guys names are because they did face Ali and Louis. The rankings you show sound a little high and maybe that shows the state of the division ay thos era's as well. Not because they were truly great fighters or anything. I don't see anyone on that list who definitely beats both Klitschko's if that means anything. But nice try.no, Ali nor Louis didnt face EVERY top guy out there. luckily, I know which ones were top and which ones were not. Here you go:
Muhammad Ali
Alejandro Lavorante - No. 10
Archie Moore - No. 5
Doug Jones - No. 3
Henry Cooper - No. 9
Sonny Liston - World Heavyweight Champion
Sonny Liston - No. 1
Floyd Patterson - No. 1
George Chuvalo - No. 9
Henry Cooper - No. 4
Karl Mildenberger - No. 3
Cleveland Williams - No. 3
Ernie Terell - No. 1
Zora Folley - No. 2
Jerry Quarry - No. 1
Oscar Bonavena - No. 3
Jimmy Ellis - No. 7
Mac Foster - No. 6
Jerry Quarry - No.2
Floyd Patterson - No.3
Bob Foster - World Light-Heavyweight Champion
Joe Bugner - No. 8
Ken Norton - No. 2
Joe Frazier - No. 1
George Foreman - World Heavyweight Champion
Chuck Wepner - No. 9
Ron Lyle - No. 8
Joe Bugner - No. 4
Joe Frazier - No. 2
Jimmy Young - No. 3
Ken Norton - No. 2
Ernie Shavers - No. 5
Leon Spinks - World Heavyweight Champion
Top 10 Rated Opponents (including Light-Heavyweight Champion): 32(31 without LHWs)
Joe Louis
Lee Rampage - No. 10
Patsy Perroni - No. 6
Natie Brown - No. 10
Primo Carnera - No. 4
King Levinsky - No. 10
Max Baer - No. 1
Charley Retzlaff - No. 4
Jack Sharkey - No. 4
Al Ettore - No. 3
James Braddock - World Champion
Tommy Farr - No. 3
Nathan Mann - No. 3
Max Schmeling - No. 1
John Henry Lewis - World Champion at Light-Heavyweight
Tony Galento - No. 3
Bob Pastor - No. 2
Johnny Paychek - No. 5
Arturo Godoy (2) - No. 1
Red Burman - No. 4
Buddy Baer - No. 5
Billy Conn - World Champion at Light-Heavyweight
Lou Nova - No. 1
Buddy Baer - No. 4
Abe Simon - No. 6
Billy Conn - No. 1
Tami Mauriello - No. 1
Jersey Joe Walcott - No. 1
Jersey Joe Walcott - No. 1
Lee Savold - No. 4
Cesar Brion - No. 8
Top 10 Rated opponents: 30(28 without LHWs)
Wladimir Klitschko:
Peter, Thompson, Brewster, Byrdx2, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Chagaev, McCline, and Chambers
10
Vitali Klitschko:
Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders, Chris Arreola, Juan Carlos Gomez, Sam Peter.
5
is that enough for you?
Guys like Alejandro Lavorante, Doug Jones, Karl Mildenberger, Jerry Quarry, Joe Bugner, Chuck Wepner, Jimmy Young, Leon Spinks wouldn't even be in the top 25 today. I won't even touch on Louis' record. No need to.Comment
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That's nice but if a KO didn't matter, Tyson wouldn't be who he is. Do you think he would've got a title shot @ 20 if it wasn't for his explosive KO record? Uhm, no. As for Tyson's competition, I can't see anyone on that list who at the time would have escaped a 12 round fight with Vitali. No way, no how.actually Tyson KOed Berbick, Thomas, Biggs, Tubbs, Spinks, Bruno, Williams, Ruddock, Seldon, and Golota(you can discount that last one if you want).
all good considered good, top fighters while he was fighting.
KO% doesnt matter, its who you beat and how. KOing is just another way to win, although like you I prefer the KO.
simply having a KO doesnt make the win greater. Dominance does, yes, which is why I give the brothers plenty of credit for their exellent, dominant performances, as long as theyre fighting good fighters.Comment
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